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j_tour
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Way OT: basic jazz guitar (re)-learning?
on: May 26, 2021, 03:04:19 AM
So, I got this nice little Ibanez AF-55, sort of a clone of the classic hollow-body Gibson ES-175. Whatever.
The last time I was fooling with the guitar, after I'd given up rock guitar and went into rock/jazz/classical piano, I remembered it being pretty easy to do rootless chords (up to the 13th, but at least to the 9th).
Using, really, just the top three strings. I don't remember how I figured it out, but definitely not "cowboy chords." Just the kinds of simple chords (usually omit the root and the plain fifth, on the principle that it's really the third and the seventh that define a harmony in the context of a full band) that people use to comp in, say, bebop style and after.
I don't have the energy to just blindly pluck around or transcribe random bits from Wes or Grant Green or Jim Hall.
When I Bing or Google, there's just the usual garbage from some self-promoting turds. Difficult to find just a basic syllabus of chords up to the 13th ommitting redundant notes.
Anyone know of a reliable resource for actual rootless voicings on guitar, played on the top strings?
Alternatively
, this could be a good chance to actually learn to properly read music at the guitar fretboard. Yeah, yeah, I know about tablature notation, but I'm not going to read tab somebody else made, which probably is inaccurate anyway, and if I make more transcriptions, it'll be in standard notation, like an actual musician.
I can certainly make those voicings conceptually and at the keyboard, and translate it to the fretboard, but I think a little crib or syllabary would help me get some feeling back in the fingers at the fretboard (and the other hand) without it being such a chore.
Making improvised lines, that's not so much a problem for me: I can just sound it out, and that's fun for me.
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lelle
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Re: Way OT: basic jazz guitar (re)-learning?
Reply #1 on: May 26, 2021, 10:15:24 PM
Just learn it bro!!
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk
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j_tour
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Re: Way OT: basic jazz guitar (re)-learning?
Reply #2 on: May 27, 2021, 02:00:05 AM
Quote from: lelle on May 26, 2021, 10:15:24 PM
Just learn it bro!!
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk
Yeah, you're right.
I was sure there was an app for this though, for the stupid and lazy.
Maybe even some turd has video about those who are tired of playing Wes Montgomery barre chords (or others who make a feature of playing dense chorded solos making use of the whole fretboard).
Probably is.
Yeah, I know what the notes I want are, I just didn't feel like reinventing the wheel. For example, a vanilla F9 chord, might be voiced from low to high as A-Eb-G. The voice leading gets tricker, since often one doesn't want a plain 9, but a b9 or a #9, and so forth. /* Then again, for just shucking chords, I don't think the voice leading matters: complex Wes Montgomery chorded solos are not of interest to me, except as a mere listener. */
But, your Ted Talk was most informative. Instead of shrieking about some stupid app, you recommend actually doing something useful.
Those salespeople people have value. In a landfill. Dismembered. Exsanguinated. Are you tired of playing boring old classical pieces? Well me too! Thanks to my revolutionary new plan, you can just cut your hands off and enjoy a whole new world of wonder!
No, that's not directed to you, just at the usual "Are you tired of chopping fish by hand? Is the sound of Beethoven getting you down? Well sit down, fella, because there's a whole new game in town!" Those people should be executed.
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