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rachorascho
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Chopin - concrete Etudes technically connected with Ballades
on: July 28, 2021, 07:54:32 PM
Hello,
I would like to know your opinion on which Chopin's Etudes prepare you for which techniques in concrete Ballades? (I mean, for example, which etude helps you the most with coda of Ballade 2 and this kind of stuff.) I would be especially glad for etude-tips for ballade 2 and 3.
Thank you! :-)
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lelle
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Re: Chopin - concrete Etudes technically connected with Ballades
Reply #1 on: July 28, 2021, 10:50:42 PM
I don't feel many of the Etudes precisely mirror the technical problems in the ballades. Generally, the Ballades are easier than the Etudes from a purely technical point of view. Maybe Op. 10 no. 7 could help prepare you for the coda of ballade 2? Though I think Op 10 no 7 is quite tricky so you might need to develop your technique before tackling that one as well.
Ballade 3 is probably the easiest ballade. If you can play scales and arpeggios quickly and fluently with supple hands and wrists you're probably ready for it.
(This is not absolute truth, just my opinion).
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liszt123
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Re: Chopin - concrete Etudes technically connected with Ballades
Reply #2 on: July 29, 2021, 03:07:55 AM
You can also improve your technique by learning the ballades
. I'd also recommend scherzo 1/2 (a bit more approachable).
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rachorascho
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Re: Chopin - concrete Etudes technically connected with Ballades
Reply #3 on: July 31, 2021, 05:55:04 AM
Ok, thank you for your answers!
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nightwindsonata
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Re: Chopin - concrete Etudes technically connected with Ballades
Reply #4 on: August 01, 2021, 07:49:13 PM
I think the Etudes are technically harder than the Ballades (with the exception of maybe the fourth Ballades)! There are a few Etudes that can prepare you for the Ballades--for instance, I think Op. 25 No. 5 and No. 12 work techniques that are very useful for all of the Ballades, Op. 10 No. 7 is very good to prepare for the coda of the second ballades, Op. 10 No. 4 is very good for the third and fourth Ballades, Op. 25 No. 6 is a way over-preparation for the thirds at the end of the fourth ballades, and so on. However, I think you're better off learning the Ballades first as well as you can, then learning the Etudes, and returning to the Ballades later (or learning them side-by-side). The Ballades only use a small amount of the techniques that are explored in-depth by the Etudes, which were written to be used to virtuosos to achieve mastery of that specific technique (ie, you already have be very competent at reading, at scales/arpeggios, arm weight/wrist/fingers, at interpretation, and at memorization be able to play the Etudes well and learn from them. It is alright for learning them to take a long time, but you do have to be able to make clear progress within at least a month or two. The Ballades, by contrast, are like epic poems that draw from a little of everything to tell their unique story. Very different in concept from the Etudes. So in that respect, I would recommend studying several Nocturnes before taking on a Ballade, and then tackle a Ballade and a related Etude at the same time (ie, Op. 25 No. 5 and Ballade Op. 23). Hope this helps.
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Re: Chopin - concrete Etudes technically connected with Ballades
Reply #5 on: August 04, 2021, 06:50:29 AM
Thanks!
I think I understand your point and I will think about it.
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