Destiny is Revealed of Pianist Julio Fong with Piano Scores

[pianopianist]

Hi,

I'm here to share a new pianist, he's a senior level pianist and composer.
Very easy to play, give a try with your piano.

Destiny is Revealed (3:51)

Piano Score:
DestinyisRevealed-Piano-Score.1.1.pdf

[perfect_pitch]

Okay - no offense, but as someone who arranges music, the PDF sheet music is ATROCIOUSLY written. The basic element of it is simple quavers and crotchets, yet you have MANY erroneous ties, a badly notated MIDI performance that is NOT in time with the beat producing a score that is 10 times harder to read than it should be. Also, I don't see why you couldn't put a damn key signature in as well.

Very easy to play, bloody awful to read and decipher...

The music is very repetitive and a little bland after the first 40 seconds and the audio is not even in synch with the video, and the fact that you posted 3 posts in less than an hour screams of self-advertising... and if it isn't self-advertising - it smells of spam.

I'm going to see if others think the same, and if I'm mistaken then I apologise... but I somehow doubt it.

[dogperson]

Perfect pitch
Totally agreed— repetitive music, poorly notated score and obvious spamming of the forum.  Based on the comments, I thought this music might be good for another forum where there are a lot of semi-beginners who like new-age music.  Sadly, no; there is no way they could sort out the score.

[lostinidlewonder]

The score is not written by hand but rather merely connecting a digital piano via midi and recording what you play, that of course does not line up all the notes neatly and thus you have this mess in the pdf. It is not acceptable to release notation in that form, unless you want people to think you are lazy and really don't care about communicating the music appropriately.

[felixblumenfeld]

I can only side with perfect_pitch and the other posters. This belongs to the ever expanding realm of sheer amateurism that is plaguing the web. Some people purchase a MIDI keyboard and some cheap software and automatically feel entitled to post their realizations. I have seen another score on that gentleman's website that is quite similar, which is not a positive comment to make. To think that he describes himself as "a great pianist who has his own style"...

[ronde_des_sylphes]

The score is not written by hand but rather merely connecting a digital piano via midi and recording what you play, that of course does not line up all the notes neatly and thus you have this mess in the pdf. It is not acceptable to release notation in that form, unless you want people to think you are lazy and really don't care about communicating the music appropriately.

Indeed. It is the first time I have ever seen sheet music where the key signature is either blank or C major, and the notation is in a combination of B major and Cb major. That is before anyone even attempts to address the disaster area which is the notation of the rhythm. To the OP: if you are the composer of this, please do yourself a favour and learn some relatively basic music theory, because what the pdf contains is completely unacceptable by any conventional standard of music publishing and nobody with a modicum of musical training is going to take it seriously.

[lostinidlewonder]

Indeed. It is the first time I have ever seen sheet music where the key signature is either blank or C major, and the notation is in a combination of B major and Cb major. That is before anyone even attempts to address the disaster area which is the notation of the rhythm.

Yes all those things and what pp mentioned make ones eyes and brain sore. Music written in this form immediately stands out to me as a midi recording because I used to do it a great deal back in the past. It is a helpful way to get your notes written down but then you have to go back and edit it so everything lines up. Unless you can play tempo perfect and hold all the notes for perfect duration the recording of the notes will never line up perfectly, no one is perfect and of course music sounds robotic if you do such things not to say feels utterly wrong.

Is it a little joke to say this is work from a senior level composer? I mean I'm laughing a little now after noticing that part in the op.

[perfect_pitch]

Unless you can play tempo perfect and hold all the notes for perfect duration the recording of the notes will never line up perfectly

Actually, that isn't true. Software like Sibelius can moderately track slight tempo changes and you can get it to only write quavers as the shortest value if you need.

It's rather easy... if one was to at least try (which the OP didn't).

I also suspect that the author dumped his video here in the hopes of fishing for views, and probably won't be back to communicate with this forum ever again. If so, maybe it should be reported.

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

So many of these absurd attempts at self-promotion always stink badly of trolling...sorry, I meant "senior level" trolling. 

[lostinidlewonder]

Actually, that isn't true. Software like Sibelius can moderately track slight tempo changes and you can get it to only write quavers as the shortest value if you need.

It is true, your method is not the same procedure I am describing. If you want to record certain note values and force the program only to record at a certain resolution that is possible but that will not allow you to produce sheet music of the score accurately and you would still need multiple edits to complete it (the example in the op would have benefited from it though). You still need to play quite accurately and programs easily estimate the notes elsewhere compared to where you'd want it. More complicated music which uses all sorts of values is not going to be helped by limiting the note value resolution, certainly far away from being perfect.

[j_tour]

OK. 

The transcription is illiterate garbage.

If you can't or won't transcribe your own little "song" using standards developed over centuries, what do you expect me to do? 

Transcribe it myself?

Listen to or watch your "video"? 

I don't think so. 

Do it like a musician who isn't a junkie alcoholic would, and put up some legible notation.  Yes, I can read it, but it's garbage and illiterate as spelled.  Even Keith Richards or maybe even Lang Lang or Nigel Tufnel can write a chord chart.  A pretty low bar from which to hoist oneself.

Handwritten correctly would be a huge improvement. 

It's a joke asking someone to listen to some random video when this is your best effort at reading and writing music.

No way is that going to happen.  Nobody wants to hear Corky recite the alphabet wrongly.

Come back when you know how to read and write, IOW.

[perfect_pitch]

It is true, your method is not the same procedure I am describing. If you want to record certain note values and force the program only to record at a certain resolution that is possible but that will not allow you to produce sheet music of the score accurately and you would still need multiple edits to complete it

Granted, valid point... but I meant a piece this easy with crotchets and quavers could probably be recorded once and give you a 90-95% accurate transcription. All you would need to do is add articulation etc...

[lostinidlewonder]

...I meant a piece this easy with crotchets and quavers could probably be recorded once and give you a 90-95% accurate transcription. All you would need to do is add articulation etc...

Yes exactly. It makes me wonder why this "senior level composer" didn't know how to use that? We must be smarter than "senior level composers" lol.

[perfect_pitch]

We must be smarter than "senior level composers" lol.

I SO have to put that on my *** business card.

[ivorycherry]

https://www.juliofong.com/en/

[fftransform]

Strangely savage for a PS thread.

The business card is nice, though.

[perfect_pitch]

Strangely savage for a PS thread.

Okay - 1) I dare you to listen to the YouTube clip IN ITS ENTIRETY and tell me how this is a composition from a "senior level pianist and composer"

2) I dare you to not even play the PDF he posted - but just look at it and remember that the melody is meant to just be Crotchets and quavers, and tell me if we're being unfair.

[pianistlover]

Thanks for your comments
yeah as you said, you're right it's crude "Strangely savage for a PS thread".
No thanks at all ...

I haven't saw contemporary composers on the forum, only old composers (they are paranoid and all notes must be perfect and so...).

Melodies are not repetitive, it's easy to play, easy to remember.

About the perfect score, contemporary pianist-composers do not have anymore free time to make it perfect.

The composer, Julio Fong said his music score was generated from Cakewalk software, no time to make it with hands, so I'm just sharing on the forum, but seriously, your answer is not encouraging to do more ...
Of course if you can do better, just do and share with us.

I would like to thanks Julio Fong for his kindness, he was playing piano with inspiration and spirituality, he is a very rare person in this world.

[ivorycherry]

I would like to thanks Julio Fong for his kindness, he was playing piano with inspiration and spirituality, he is a very rare person in this world.

[lostinidlewonder]

Pretend accounts also pretending to be offended lol. When you don't agree with something it's an act of being savage? I forgot the world is trying to become a place where no one hurts the feeling of someone else, too bad you still have a couple generations to wait till we die then you might brainwash the new generation who I doubt will fall for it.

[musikalischer_wirbelwind_280]

Thanks for your comments
yeah as you said, you're right it's crude "Strangely savage for a PS thread".
No thanks at all ...

I haven't saw contemporary composers on the forum, only old composers (they are paranoid and all notes must be perfect and so...).

Melodies are not repetitive, it's easy to play, easy to remember.

About the perfect score, contemporary pianist-composers do not have anymore free time to make it perfect.

The composer, Julio Fong said his music score was generated from Cakewalk software, no time to make it with hands, so I'm just sharing on the forum, but seriously, your answer is not encouraging to do more ...
Of course if you can do better, just do and share with us.

Please tell me you weren't seriously expecting thanks for that botched and pathetic excuse for "score". You got criticism, and deservedly so, that can prove useful to whoever's serious enough about composing and sharing their work on this forum or elsewhere, which I'm almost sure is not your case.

If by "old composers" you mean Bach, Chopin, Schubert, Rachmaninoff, Albéniz and the like, then it's no wonder you haven't bumped into any of them on this forum, nor is it likely you ever will. Hopefully you've figured out why, by now.

Doing things properly is not the same as doing things perfectly, and there's also no relationship whatsoever between that and being "paranoid". If you, or your alter ego Mr. Fong, or whatever his name is, genuinely believe otherwise, well, let's just hope neither of you is a surgeon, an attorney or a civil engineer; imagine telling people you just couldn't be bothered doing your damn job properly, not enough free time, and that's why they're now screwed, sorry, but at least thank me, will you?

And since when is notation software meant to be used as a lame excuse for writing music in a ridiculously wrong and unsatisfactory way, when you either have no idea what you're doing, or are just messing around?
Then again, you did mention that our reaction to this whole charade is not encouraging you to push it further, so something good has definitely come out of it! 

I would like to thanks Julio Fong for his kindness, he was playing piano with inspiration and spirituality, he is a very rare person in this world.

Nah, trolls are a dime a dozen on the Internet these days...

[perfect_pitch]

Melodies are not repetitive, it's easy to play, easy to remember.

The composer, Julio Fong said his music score was generated from Cakewalk software, no time to make it with hands, so I'm just sharing on the forum, but seriously, your answer is not encouraging to do more ...
Of course if you can do better, just do and share with us.

I would like to thanks Julio Fong for his kindness, he was playing piano with inspiration and spirituality, he is a very rare person in this world.

I'm going with Lostinidlewonder on this, and assume that this is just another created account (probably by the same person as pianopianist - the fact that they both have 'pianist' in it and they were both created on the same day mere hours apart is suspicious).

Anyway, I don't know who you are but the composition was as I said, nice for the first 30 seconds, and then repeated ad-nauseum. For a senior level composer... I'm sorry, I mean a "senior level composer", this is a joke. I have high school piano students who have done far more interesting compositions.

Can I do better in terms of Arranging and notation? Yes, I was good enough for Musicnotes.com to approach me asking me to distribute my scores. I've had years of notating and scoring correctly, and as I said earlier - if someone can't learn the basics of putting crotchets and quavers correctly onto a manuscript score, No on ON THE PLANET is going to want to play whatever he scrawled down because it is indecipherable... something that was clearly backup by ALL THE OTHER PIANO PLAYERS on this thread who put their contribution in.

Could I notate it better? Absolutely, but I don't see why I have to do his homework.

Lets be honest - his music wasn't inspirational, it seemed barely spiritual and I doubt he is a very rare person in this world.

Stop blowing smoke up his arse (or your own for that matter) and get a reality check.

[jacobson747]

Perhaps Mr. Fong would consider the following changes:

1) Edit the piece so it ends after 45 seconds and reprint the card to say “45 seconds” instead of "3:45 Minutes".
2) Change the key to C major so we don’t have to worry about poor use of sharps and flats.

If these changes are made, perhaps PS members can be a little more tolerant of the poor rhythmic notation and say a few encouraging words to this beginner level composer?  Perhaps I am asking too much here.

[perfect_pitch]

Perhaps Mr. Fong would consider the following changes:

1) Edit the piece so it ends after 45 seconds and reprint the card to say “45 seconds” instead of "3:45 Minutes".
2) Change the key to C major so we don’t have to worry about poor use of sharps and flats.

If these changes are made, perhaps PS members can be a little more tolerant of the poor rhythmic notation and say a few encouraging words to this beginner level composer?  Perhaps I am asking too much here.

I'll admit, we don't have conclusive confirmation that 'pianopianist' and 'pianistlover' are actually Mr. Fong himself. You do have some encouraging compliments and that's probably a little more positive than what I said (although I have seen many times over the 16 years I've been on this forum).

However, the problem again is that if the 2 users really are Julio Fong, it's overly-ambitious to call oneself 'senior level pianist and composer', given that the only other work doesn't really have any depth or character... and if he does want to be a 'senior level composer' he really needs to sort his transcribing issues otherwise no one will EVER take his works seriously.

Also, that level of self-promotion and status-hyping seems pretty sickening.

[jacobson747]

Also, that level of self-promotion and status-hyping seems pretty sickening.

You may be correct that the 2 users are Mr. Fong.  If that's the case, it's actually pretty sad when you think about it.

[perfect_pitch]

You may be correct that the 2 users are Mr. Fong.  If that's the case, it's actually pretty sad when you think about it.

Wouldn't be the first time we've seen it on here.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

About the perfect score, contemporary pianist-composers do not have anymore free time to make it perfect.

Let's put it this way. If the composer can't spare the requisite 20 mins to edit it into something legible then why should anyone else bother taking it seriously? Composers treat their creations with care, in my experience.