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Offline mrcreosote

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Ligeti in Outer Range: Who noticed ? (!)
on: May 09, 2022, 02:22:19 AM
...and repeatedly too.  Had great emotional effect I might add.

Of course the interesting question is how mutually exclusive are those 2 criteria?

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Re: Ligeti in Outer Range: Who noticed ? (!)
Reply #1 on: May 09, 2022, 11:02:22 PM
Do you mean that he calls for notes beyond the keyboard's range? How about providing a few examples?

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Re: Ligeti in Outer Range: Who noticed ? (!)
Reply #2 on: May 10, 2022, 01:14:34 PM
mrcreosote, I don't understand the question, can you clarify? :)

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Re: Ligeti in Outer Range: Who noticed ? (!)
Reply #3 on: May 10, 2022, 04:36:45 PM
Ligeti wrote some "etudes" for the piano which use a limited note set.  The most "fundamental" was a piece consisting of only a root and its octaves.  Another was 2 notes and I know there was one with something like 4 or 5 notes, but frankly I'll bet he wrote a set of them for the first so many natural numbers.

Anyhow, it was one of them.  Do you want me to spill or let this hint run for a while?

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Re: Ligeti in Outer Range: Who noticed ? (!)
Reply #4 on: May 10, 2022, 11:56:32 PM
From the Wikipedia article on Musica ricercata: "An important global structural feature of Musica ricercata is that Ligeti confines himself to only certain pitch classes in each movement, with each subsequent movement having exactly one more pitch class than the last."

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Re: Ligeti in Outer Range: Who noticed ? (!)
Reply #5 on: May 11, 2022, 12:26:31 PM
I'm stumped. I need a hint1

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Re: Ligeti in Outer Range: Who noticed ? (!)
Reply #6 on: May 11, 2022, 10:19:53 PM
I'm sorry but "pitch classes" is pure obfuscation,

He composed pieces using 1 note, then 2 notes, 3, 4, 5, .... to what ever number he ended the sequence with. 

The piece using 1 note, lets call it note C includes all C's.   I guess they are using "classes" instead of the common "octaves" which is implicitly understood.

I saw a country band where the lead man played a Dobro slide style and his musical ability was the Root and the Fifth.  He accompanied with them, and he soloed with them.  AND the crowd loved it! 

Here's the one they used:
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