Liszt 12 technical exercises books for piano

[solo@web]

Hi there,
I have playing the Piano for four years without any piano teacher.
Now I want to become a better pianist.I want to know whether I can start
with  "Liszt 12 technical exercises books for piano"  or not?
I haven't started my piano practicing with any famous course book such as
Hanon, Cramer, Czerny,...
Thanks for your response.
Solo

[steinwayguy]

If you want to become a better pianist, start taking lessons from a teacher, not playing Liszt.

[SteinwayTony]

I think possibly the only thing everyone in this forum will agree upon is that you must have a good, challenging teacher.

[solo@web]

Unfortunately I can not attach something,
If I could I would send you the first page of book one.
notice that it is totally different from "Liszt Transcendental etudes"

P.s: I'm not beginner,and had college concerts. BUT I want to improve muself

[DarkWind]

I don't think those pieces are rather normal to start with, either as repertoire or learning tools. Rather, if you have a good technique, start with those Chopin Etudes, or maybe something less.

[fred smalls]

I don't think those pieces are rather normal to start with, either as repertoire or learning tools. Rather, if you have a good technique, start with those Chopin Etudes, or maybe something less.

MAN! I'm starting to get discouraged! Recommending the Chopin Etudes to someone who has played for four years sounded wierd to me, but maybe I just don't concertrate on praticing enough. After six years im playing only the level of the pathetique, and others of its difficulty. Maybe i should practice more!

[donjuan]

Hi there,
I have playing the Piano for four years without any piano teacher.
Now I want to become a better pianist.I want to know whether I can start
with  "Liszt 12 technical exercises books for piano"  or not?
I haven't started my piano practicing with any famous course book such as
Hanon, Cramer, Czerny,...
Thanks for your response.
Solo

Are you talking about Liszt's Etude in 12 exercises?- the one he wrote when he was 15 years old?  I sincerely hope not..  This music is so infantile and is really not designed for human hands.  If this is the music you are talking about, I strongly recommend you look at more mature works of Liszt.  If you want the most comfortable version of the Transcendental Etudes, dont go back to childhood sketches right away, but start with the 1851 version.
Here are the first pages of the Etude in 12 exercises:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0486258157/ref=sib_dp_pt/002-1158329-5936807#reader-page

Go to the last 3 sample pages - is this the same sheetmusic you have?
donjuan

donjuan

[solo@web]

No this is not the note I have

This is the cover
https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/pages.html?cart=33187315682289723&target=smp_detail.html%26sku%3DAP.630&s=pages-www.google.com/search&e=/sheetmusic/detail/AP.630.html&t=&k=&r=wwws-err5
would you please help me?!

[donjuan]

ohhhh!!! why didnt you say so??!  and why confuse us all with saying "12 technical exercises"?  This book of yours has 86!!

I also have this book.  Liszt's technical exercises are...well... not very good in terms of developing technique.  I have to hand it to the guy - this book has, like, every single combination of every passage you will and will not come across in all music.  but still, not the best technical exercises out there..
donjuan

[solo@web]

ohhhh!!! why didnt you say so??!  and why confuse us all with saying "12 technical exercises"?  This book of yours has 86!!

Ohhhh
I don't want to confuse you, Please notice that I have written 12 technical exercises BOOKS so I haven't mention the exact number of its exercises
But Thanks for following my request...
Although I did search pianoforum but could you name me an exercises (book,sheet,etude) in this level,the most important thing I have is strengthening my finger muscles
you know I haven't finnish hanon and czerny beacuse I have reached the techniques in another studies.
Thanks in Advance...

[donjuan]

I am really, REALLY not the person to ask about technique, but why dont you try searching the site using words "technique" or "exercises".  Bernhard and Daniel_piano's posts, among others, are usually very helpful in terms of explaining the best technical exercises.

Bernhard, if you are out there, would you please, please give us one of your great lists of threads concerning the subject?
donjuan

[march05]

Honestly I don't see anything wrong with those liszt exercises. I think just about any etudes book that suits your level is ok for developing technique. it's a plus if you have a recording of those etudes to compare with as you practise, but it's hard to find records of etudes other than the chopin or liszt's etudes. good luck.

[pskim]

This is what you are looking for.  I also have the complete.

https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?sku=AP.630&cart=3319609474455639

[etudes]

that is exactly what i have
i think that is one of the great book (12 books in one)
but i skip all of the holding notes part i hate that
btw his chords and some of changing hands are great
and some of double note and octave is worth to try
i dont know some others books like this
maybe cortot (i cant compare coz i never try that)
regards

[Rach3]

I think he meant that the exercises are in 12 books (I think).

I haven't really made much use of them, every now and then I look at a particular set of exercises to figure out a particular technique, so far the only one I've made real use of was the 10 million fingerings for ordinary chromatic scales (loads of fun! really). I think some of the octave stuff is supposed to be useful...

for 'held note' stuff i stick with Dohnyani, way more helpful and less repetitive.

[Mephistopheles]

Liszt's technical exercises were originally published in 12 volumes, but they are no longer available in their entirety.  The book mentioned in this thread is, in fact, an edited version of those 12 volumes - They shouldn't be allowed to use the word 'complete' in their description.