Piano Forum

Topic: Polyrhythms  (Read 1853 times)

Offline ravelfan07

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 283
Polyrhythms
on: December 06, 2023, 09:19:54 PM
I am currently pretty bad at polyrhythms and wanted to know a few pieces that help with practicing polyrhythms
Amateur pianist and composer(will show works soon)

Online brogers70

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1756
Re: Polyrhythms
Reply #1 on: December 06, 2023, 09:37:16 PM
I am currently pretty bad at polyrhythms and wanted to know a few pieces that help with practicing polyrhythms

The Posthumous Etudes by Chopin feature continuous polyrhythms. The middle sections of Brahms Opus 118 #2 and 118 #5 have plenty, it's pretty hard to avoid 2:3 in anything by Brahms. Fantasie Impromptu, of course has 3:4.

If you want exercises, the first few in Brahms 51 exercises are a mess of polyrhythms, and Czerny Opus 299 #26 is a nightmare of them.

Offline thorn

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 784
Re: Polyrhythms
Reply #2 on: December 06, 2023, 10:41:57 PM
Play C major scales with 2 in LH vs. 3 in RH, 3 in LH vs. 4 in RH etc. It's more useful than playing pieces because you don't have to think about notes and fingerings so can give your full attention to rhythm. Sometimes you have to play 2 octaves apart to avoid hands bumping into one another.

Offline kosulin

  • PS Silver Member
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 143
Re: Polyrhythms
Reply #3 on: December 07, 2023, 01:34:40 AM
The most 'scholar' are probably Fugues by Reicha, contemporary of Beethoven.
Brahms 51 exercises (WoO 6) include the polythythm ones.
Vlad

Offline quantum

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6260
Re: Polyrhythms
Reply #4 on: December 08, 2023, 01:51:23 PM
In your case, I think it would be beneficial to work on purely rhythmic exercises that only involve percussive sounds and body movements, like clapping, walking, percussion instruments, etc.  In this way you can devote your focus to polyrhythms, and not have to worry about things like harmony, fingering, and other such challenges.  Once you have established a polyrhythm with clapping, then you can supplement by studying a piano piece that features that polyrhythm.

Start with the most common 2 against 3, as well as 3 against 4.  Go through variations of being able to clap 2 in one hand, 3 in the other, and fluidly switch the rhythm between hands, while counting out loud. 

Example:
RH 3, LH 2, count 3
RH 2, LH 3, count 3
RH 2, LH 3, count 2
RH 3, LH 2, count 2

Do the same exercise with 3 and 4.

You can also involve the feet while walking:
Feet (in 2) starting with Left, RH 4, LH 3, count 4
Feet (in 2) starting with Right, RH 4, LH 3, count 4
etc.

Made a Liszt. Need new Handel's for Soler panel & Alkan foil. Will Faure Stein on the way to pick up Mendels' sohn. Josquin get Wolfgangs Schu with Clara. Gone Chopin, I'll be Bach
For more information about this topic, click search below!

Piano Street Magazine:
A Life with Beethoven – Moritz Winkelmann

What does it take to get a true grip on Beethoven? A winner of the Beethoven Competition in Bonn, pianist Moritz Winkelmann has built a formidable reputation for his Beethoven interpretations, shaped by a lifetime of immersion in the works and instruction from the legendary Leon Fleisher. Eric Schoones from the German/Dutch magazine PIANIST had a conversation with him. Read more
 

Logo light pianostreet.com - the website for classical pianists, piano teachers, students and piano music enthusiasts.

Subscribe for unlimited access

Sign up

Follow us

Piano Street Digicert