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Offline transitional

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What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
on: March 23, 2024, 11:50:35 PM
I'm sure lots of you guys have heard it all - she's just a child prodigy, people compare her to Mozart, and knows how to compose but makes stuff too tonally simple. I'm just wondering what's the problem of being too tonally simple? She's not emulating any particular 19th century composer, just using 19th century compositional techniques, and why don't people complain about composers like Beethoven in that respect? Modern dissonance works in music, and Alma Deutscher's has a place too. Who says they can't coexist harmoniously? "Beautiful" music is not necessary but it can be over-hated and I just enjoy all the progressions and motifs she uses. I don't completely know how to say it - her piano concerto, for example,  makes full use of completely simple progressions to create the ultimate completely enjoyable, exhilarating piece. By the way, I'm coming from reading a bunch of hate posts on r/classicalmusic - https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/1bj3saj/opinions_on_alma_deutscher/ and feel this a bit extreme of a viewpoint.

Am I overlooking something? Any particular composers you can compare to? (because she does not really innovate, but if it's good music, what does anyone have against it?) Challenges are welcome as long as it comes with an explanation, because Reddit posts frequently do not make much sense of themselves at all.
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Re: What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
Reply #1 on: March 24, 2024, 02:45:42 AM
Is she really as big a name as you're treating her as? I've not seen her posted her ever until your post, none of hundreds of pianists I follow have played her music, have not seen her mentioned one time in r/piano etc.

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Re: What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
Reply #2 on: March 24, 2024, 03:36:12 AM
Is she really as big a name as you're treating her as? I've not seen her posted her ever until your post, none of hundreds of pianists I follow have played her music, have not seen her mentioned one time in r/piano etc.
I don't know what you call "big," she has 150k subscribers on YouTube. And her music is not top-tier, so I see why not many musicians play her music. Despite not being on par with the "greats," there's no way she should receive as much hate as she did on that reddit thread (and it gets even worse on TalkClassical).
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Re: What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
Reply #3 on: March 24, 2024, 06:07:26 AM
Is she really as big a name as you're treating her as? I've not seen her posted her ever until your post, none of hundreds of pianists I follow have played her music, have not seen her mentioned one time in r/piano etc.

Again... I concur - never heard of the woman before today, and only because of this thread.

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Re: What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
Reply #4 on: March 24, 2024, 10:13:17 AM
I don't know what you call "big," she has 150k subscribers on YouTube. And her music is not top-tier, so I see why not many musicians play her music. Despite not being on par with the "greats," there's no way she should receive as much hate as she did on that reddit thread (and it gets even worse on TalkClassical).

Why does she get hate on reddit? She's a woman. Unfortunately, that often seems to be enough. She was a child prodigy; she had flattering stuff said about her on 60 Minutes and elsewhere when she was a little kid, so there's a bunch of trolls who want to "put her in her place."

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Re: What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
Reply #5 on: March 24, 2024, 04:13:00 PM
It's called "Tall Poppy Syndrome". Often exhibited by jealous failures or blacklash directed at someone with success who is bragging far too much. Most likely you are dealing with jealous failures.
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Re: What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
Reply #6 on: March 31, 2024, 02:05:11 AM
Well, just like everyone else, I never heard of her. I just searched her up on youtube, and as others mentioned, both her performance skills or compositional skills aren't particularly notable especially among some of the prodigies we see today (or saw a hundred years ago), but it's not hate-worthy for sure.

The hate is probably something that happens to anyone who is young and acknowledged. Nothing more nothing less.

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Re: What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
Reply #7 on: April 29, 2024, 02:07:15 AM
It's called "Tall Poppy Syndrome". Often exhibited by jealous failures or blacklash directed at someone with success who is bragging far too much. Most likely you are dealing with jealous failures.

Perhaps the same "hate" for Jacob Collier?

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Re: What's with the Alma Deutscher hate?
Reply #8 on: May 03, 2024, 06:57:41 PM
Perhaps the same "hate" for Jacob Collier?
Pretty much. I don't see how people can hate anyone creating or promoting music and especially piano music. There is just no room for that snobbery if we want piano music to thrive into the future.
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