Composition

[pianoplayer51]

Not been here in ages.  I am a grade 4 pianist.  I stiped having lessons.  Ive started composing tunes but cannot write scores. .  Someone heard my latest piece and said it was lovely and wanted to use it for something and did i have the score so that a professional pianist could play it.  I said no but was told they would send a recording and say professional pair this would compose a score by listening to the notes I was playing.  My music teacher started to do this but I stopped her because I said don't worry the professional penis will do it instead.

When deep professional playlist listen to my recording he said he couldn't make a score because he couldn't understand what I was playing and I'm thinking surely if my teacher could do it why couldn't the Professional.  A professional pianist went on to say that what I had produced wasn't really very good at all and it needed to be major sound more professional and I was really shocked.  He did not even say well done or anything he just said it was no good and he couldn't understand it enough to make a score and I think that it's a cop Out.  I think his attitude was quite rude and it's put me off trying to do any music again because I literally thought I was doing quite well with it and every time I did something new my piano teacher said it was very good and only this professional sort it was rubbish so if he adapts it to suit himself to bring it up to a more professional level it will end up being his composition and not mine which is not what I want and I'll be grateful if people could give their views on this because it's really upset me

[brogers70]

It's hard to give opinions without having listened to your recording.
It might be that it's an interesting piece but that the professional pianist was no good at taking down a score just by listening to the recording - that's a special skill that not all professionals have.
It might be that the piece really is not all that good and that your music teacher didn't want to hurt your feelings and the professional was more blunt.
In any case, if you want to compose music, in addition to improvising it, in the long run it will be a lot easier if you learn how to write it down yourself.
Don't get too discouraged, none of this is easy. It takes time.

[pianoplayer51]

Even if somebody like my piano teacher were to produce the score and I gave this professional appear list a copy of the score, hey would still dismiss it because in his opinion it's not sounding professionally enough so even if he had to score and could play it exactly as I have produced it he would not like it and would say it's not suitable for the purpose

[pianoplayer51]

Five people listened to my recording and they all thought it was very good it is only this professional that doesn't think so.  He has a right to his opinion but I find it strange that out of all the other people who listened he is the only one who said it's not very good.  I wouldn't mind but he doesn't even say you've made a good attempt and when I showed him a bit of the school to go with the music that my piano teacher wrote he didn't even want to look at it he didn't even comment so I think he is an extremely rude egoistical person who thinks he's God's gift to the music world and I don't like him

[pianoplayer51]

I agree with taking criticism because we all have to learn but not when half a dozen people say they really like something I've done and one other person says they don't then who is writing who is wrong here are the six other people not speaking the truth how do they not know enough about music to make an educated viewpoint.  I'm not trying to take an exam I'm just doing this for fun as a hobby for my own enjoyment and I really honestly think this professional doesn't want me to overshadow him with my music and he wants to be top dog and he's jealous that somebody thinks my pieces good enough to be taken further and people like that make me sick

[pianoplayer51]

[https://youtu.be/tKU4FcWDNr0?si=FSaxKb_mYanmaIgw]

[pianoplayer51]

If you click on the link it will take you to my composition and you can tell me honestly what you think

[lelle]

This might be a frustrating answer but "good" is relative and subjective.

If someone says something is good in music it basically means "I liked it".

If you want to emulate a certain style, you can do so more or less well, or more or less good.

Your composition is simple harmonically and melodically. It sounds like something you could find in a method book for early piano students. In other words, other people have written similar music and published it and other people have played it on their journey to learn piano. Somebody who wants to hear something more adventurous will probably not be interested. Maybe the professional pianist didn't want to play something that simplistic. I'm sure there are others who would be happy to record it for you, assuming you pay.

What do YOU think about your piece? Are you happy with it? Did you get some kind of satisfaction from the process of making it? That's all that matters.

[klavieronin]

Just a heads up. There is a small typo in your original post. Last sentence in the first paragraph. I wouldn't normally bother pointing typos out but this one may be worth correcting if it's not too late.

Your composition is quite nice. It's very simple but there is nothing wrong with that. As lelle pointed out, it's the sort of thing you might find in a method book for beginners.

Don't get discouraged. I've been told by a composer who I admire a lot that my music is "boring" (among other things). You can't take these things personally. Unless criticism is given in the spirit of wanting to help you improve, it isn't worth paying attention to.

[pianoplayer51]

This might be a frustrating answer but "good" is relative and subjective.

If someone says something is good in music it basically means "I liked it".

If you want to emulate a certain style, you can do so more or less well, or more or less good.

Your composition is simple harmonically and melodically. It sounds like something you could find in a method book for early piano students. In other words, other people have written similar music and published it and other people have played it on their journey to learn piano. Somebody who wants to hear something more adventurous will probably not be interested. Maybe the professional pianist didn't want to play something that simplistic. I'm sure there are others who would be happy to record it for you, assuming you pay.

What do YOU think about your piece? Are you happy with it? Did you get some kind of satisfaction from the process of making it? That's all that matters.

I did enjoy composing and ive done one or two other pieces.  I play from the heart and have a lot of feeling.  I will try and link other stuff ive done

[pianoplayer51]

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I love this one i did and if a professional criticises it then there is something wrong.  How can anyone not like this

[pianoplayer51]

The person that said my music was too basic takes a lot of tunes and improvises them and when you hear them having been improvised you lose track of the tune because they put so much improvisation on your listening more to the improvisation rather than the tune itself and I don't like that and all these people are doing is showing off by looking for people's appreciation and thinking oh look what I can do look what I can do.  If you watch the film Saturday Night Fever that is a disco scene which is a disco version of Beethoven's 5th Symphony I can't remember what it's called but it's horrible it's a disco version of Beethoven's 5th Symphony I don't like it is cleverly arranged no doubt about it but it's not as speight-hoven intended it to be like

[pianoplayer51]

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[pianoplayer51]

Do not think you should mess around with classical music and make them into pop tunes

[klavieronin]

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I actually like this. I think the artist has done quite a good job of mashing the two styles together.

[pianoplayer51]

What do you think of my second composition that I put up on here I would value opinions

[pianoplayer51]

I do not understand why a couple of people have told me my compositions are very good and somebody even said oh you have a talent which is false because if I had such a talent the professional pianist wouldn't have said it's too ordinary and he wouldn't have said it needs to sound more professional and I don't think by the other people making the pieces out to be better than they are as helping me

[lelle]

Two things can be true at the same time.

You can show a lot of talent AND have room to grow and make better things in the future.

You can make things some people like AND some other people don't like.

If you are trying to make something EVERYBODY will like and NOBODY will criticise - you are going to fail, 100% guaranteed. Because that's an impossible task.

I wrote a lot of compositions when I was a kid. Do they show talent? Yes. Do I think they are very good now? No.

[pianoplayer51]

Please can somebody give feedback on my second composition video that I put up on here because all people are doing are stating the obvious about other things about writing compositions and I want people to come and on my second video

[pianoplayer51]

I also would appreciate someone to explain to me why my piano teacher says that all my compositions are marvelous and I don't think that's helpful I don't see how every composition is marvelous

[pianoplayer51]

Can I ask why my request for someone to comment on my second video upload of my compositions have been ignored I've asked over and over and over again but people don't seem to want to make a comment on it I don't understand why can somebody please please let me know and comment on this video

[keypeg]

A few things seem to be going on.  I'm going to answer privately.  Look out for a PM (private message).

[keypeg]

Done.

[keypeg]

While waiting, I'll put out some general thoughts here.

The idea that the pianist said the first composition did not have structure, that is extremely questionable.  When I started the harmony part of music theory at beginner stages, there was a very basic structure: a "question" phrase above the I IV and V(7) chords, ending on V for a cadence that hangs in the air; followed by an "answer" phrase which might be the same thing but landing on the Tonic with a V-I cadence.  Usually 4 + 4 = 8 measures.  That is precisely what we have in the first composition.  It's a textbook structure, and thus a structure.  It happens three times: the third, an octave higher.

The second composition accidentally channels the Bach-Gounod Ave Maria in the melody up to the point where the original I think modulates and then it sort of meanders prettily into the weeds.  We have the basic I IV V chords.  There's a reason this structure got invented: it can't help but sound good and harmonious.  There is also how it is played.

The issue of teacher feedback vs. a lot of people vs. some.  The teacher part is tricky business.

A teacher - who knows how to do so (first prerequisite) - to teach composition also has to teach specific things, and that can get complicated.  A student has to be ready to do the nitty gritties and over the long haul, and many teachers feel that they'll "lose" the student who will feel daunted by those nitty gritties.  On the other hand, if they can encourage the student by way of their own explorations, those students might start discovering things, and that might be a good first stage.  There is also the possibility that a given teacher may not know how to teach composition, how to structure that kind of teaching.

Meanwhile, I've played things when I started music seriously in the beginning, where my then-teacher probably heard potential in the raw, and encouraged it; friends without that much of an ear were taken by the emotion of it all or something, as I was --- Years later listening to those recordings, there's a bunch of things that bother me or that sound incomplete.  I have much more the ears of a trained musician than I did.  That might explain the disparate responses.

[quantum]

The fact that you are getting a mix of responses is an indicator that you are getting honest and valuable feedback, and have a balanced dataset of responses.  There will always be people that say they like your work, and there will always be people that do not like your work.  It would be helpful if you aim to be objective when working with feedback.

Compose music that you like.  The only time you should be composing music for what other people like is if you are being compensated for your efforts.  Feedback is important.  However, do not focus on whether or not the other person liked your composition, rather focus on how you can use the information gathered from feedback to make yourself a better composer.