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Topic: Where would Scarbo place amongst transcendental etudes (S.139)  (Read 6524 times)

Offline bach-busoni chaconne

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Where would Ravel's Scarbo (from Gaspard de la nuit) place in terms of technical difficulty amongst Liszt's S.139 Transcendental Etudes?
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Bach-Busoni: Chaconne in D Minor, BWV 1004
Ravel: Gaspard de la nuit, M. 55
Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 53
Stravinsky: Trois Mouvements de "Pétrouchka" / Stravinsky-Agosti: Firebird

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Re: Where would Scarbo place amongst transcendental etudes (S.139)
Reply #1 on: November 26, 2025, 05:21:09 PM
Most difficult by a margin IMO, though Feux Follets is at least arguably on par with it.

Better question: where would it place in terms of quality among S. 139?
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Re: Where would Scarbo place amongst transcendental etudes (S.139)
Reply #2 on: November 26, 2025, 06:26:45 PM
where would it place in terms of quality among S. 139?

O that is an interesting question.

IMHO Scarbo is very well composed to achieve Ravel's intended characterisation, so definitely top 1-2. Chasse-neige also very effective in creating the sense of snow though.
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Ravel: Gaspard de la nuit, M. 55
Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 5, Op. 53
Stravinsky: Trois Mouvements de "Pétrouchka" / Stravinsky-Agosti: Firebird

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Re: Where would Scarbo place amongst transcendental etudes (S.139)
Reply #3 on: December 22, 2025, 02:38:02 PM
I think the transcendentals have some techniques that don't appear so much in scarbo, that may be harder for some pianists depending on your strengths. Gaspard is known as "Ravel trying to make the hardest piece" yada yada but I think part of the challenge is musical not just technical.

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Re: Where would Scarbo place amongst transcendental etudes (S.139)
Reply #4 on: December 22, 2025, 06:49:10 PM
Serious question do you actually like any of this music or are you just motivated by perceived difficulty?  Or something else all together?

In all of these comparison threads nobody has actually said anything about what makes something hard or literally ANYTHING about the actual music. 
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Re: Where would Scarbo place amongst transcendental etudes (S.139)
Reply #5 on: December 22, 2025, 08:35:11 PM
These threads are mostly harmless fun, but the truth of the matter is that the OP would learn far more by trying eg Scarbo, Mazeppa and Feux Follets for themselves than they will ever do by debating it on a forum (that is, assuming they're at a level where they're at least able to make an attempt at the pieces in question).
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Re: Where would Scarbo place amongst transcendental etudes (S.139)
Reply #6 on: December 23, 2025, 03:28:14 PM
These threads are mostly harmless fun, but the truth of the matter is that the OP would learn far more by trying eg Scarbo, Mazeppa and Feux Follets for themselves than they will ever do by debating it on a forum (that is, assuming they're at a level where they're at least able to make an attempt at the pieces in question).

I tried Feux Follets once but quickly went "eh this isn't worth the effort required" lol

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Re: Where would Scarbo place amongst transcendental etudes (S.139)
Reply #7 on: December 23, 2025, 08:29:23 PM
These threads are mostly harmless fun, but the truth of the matter is that the OP would learn far more by trying eg Scarbo, Mazeppa and Feux Follets for themselves than they will ever do by debating it on a forum (that is, assuming they're at a level where they're at least able to make an attempt at the pieces in question).
This.

or literally ANYTHING about the actual music. 
This is what I was trying to divert the conversation to with this:
Better question: where would it place in terms of quality among S. 139?

The original question posed by the thread isn't interesting to me in the slightest. I only answered it because it felt rude not to.
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