Chang in a Nutshell

[UncleBEn210]

Hey , Ive just started reading Chang's ''Fundamentals Of Piano Practice'' but I just can't get out of my ritual practice routine,
You know, the semi-usual intuitive method, practice scales, play pieces, then just mess around type thing im sure alotta people may have done in the past. For me it can last anywhere from 2 to five hours, and I feel im wasting alot of that time.
Anywho,
I know it sounds like a rather lazy request but I was wondering if some1 could post a short outline of a Chang-based practiced routine for me to follow, just until I read more deeply and find what exactly is suited to me practice-wise.

Thanks a million.

[goose]

Er...you're right. That is lazy. Mr Chang has gone to the trouble of writing a treatise on piano playing with a focus on how to practice. AND he's made it freely available. AND you recognize the value of it. But you can't be bothered to read it and take from it what you need?

For what it's worth, Chang includes a one page summary on page 205. But do yourself -- and us -- a favor and read the book. It really doesn't take that long to go through it once.

[nicko124]

lol it does if you are a student and have so much other work to do. There is a lot of things in the book that can be irrelevent. He even states in the introduction that it isn't wise to read the whole thing if some bits are not relevent.

[Hmoll]

Yeah that's just about the epitome of laziness. Not only did he (Chang) take the time to research and write the book, but he provides it free of charge on his website. It's not a long book.

All you have to do is read it, and acquire understanding of it by practicing some of the concepts at the piano. Maybe you want us to practice for you too.

Do your own work.

[UncleBEn210]

Yikes, well thanks, sorry if Ive offended anyone, as I said in my first post,

''just until I read it more deeply'' 

All I was asking for was a little bit of advice from someone who mabey had read the book in order to set up a provisional practice routine so as not to waste any more time on this joke of a routine I have now, again like I said, ''just until I read it more deeply''.
I did'nt set out to insult Mr.Chang or take advantage of anyone in the forum.

Sorry.

Thanks anyway.

[paolo]

Yeah that's just about the epitome of laziness. Not only did he (Chang) take the time to research and write the book, but he provides it free of charge on his website. It's not a long book.

All you have to do is read it, and acquire understanding of it by practicing some of the concepts at the piano. Maybe you want us to practice for you too.

Do your own work.

I'm sorry, I may not be a piano expert but this tyle of thing REALLY WINDS ME UP
why on earth do you have to patronise & reply so offensively.
this guy was just looking for help & advice & posted a polite question.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

[steinwayguy]

What website is this on?

[Hibiscus]

https://www.sinerj.org/~loyer/entirebook.html
Heres the link, and it really does make a lot of sense, and I know someone whom has greatly increased their learning speed by using it.  Look up "MarcMccarthy" 
UncleBen210, I was wondering what kind of routine to do as well when I read through the first chapter.  Someone I know does something like this:

1. ) Warm up with a piece you want to get up to preformance speed.
2. ) Start learning current piece bar by bar.
3. ) Practice sight reading as a seperate skill
4. ) Play piece you are learning very slowly
5. ) Drink water
6. ) Done     

[steinwayguy]

Thanks.

[UncleBEn210]

Thanks Hibiscus and Paolo. Its good to know there's some people out there that don't get their kicks from flaming the less-informed. Thanks for the advice Hibiscus,
Very Much Appreciated.

 

[goose]

Look, let's be clear. Neither Hmoll nor I were flaming you, UncleBen. (Check other posts from me or Hmoll and you'll see we don't get our kicks from flaming anybody. I even answered your question: Chang's p.205 summary.) You yourself said it was a lazy request and I agreed.

This forum is a wonderful place, full of interesting ideas and dialogue. I was very happy when I stumbled on it. It's wonderful to see people like Bernhard and Hmoll giving freely of their opinions and experience. I was also amazed when I found Chang's book. I couldn't believe someone would go to such trouble to organize and systematize his thoughts and experiences. And then go and make it available free for everyone as well.

With all this information available for nothing, your question struck me as kind of arrogant (no offence intended, but I can't think of a better word). You were asking someone else to give you the highlights of something you could -- and should want to -- do yourself. You said you knew you were wasting a lot of time practicing intuitively. So why not take some of that wasted time and read the book, instead of asking other people to tell you what it contained?

I find it similarly frustrating when people ask questions on this forum which they could easily solve by using Google. There's a lot of great information out there and half the fun is discovering it for yourself.

All that said...if you read Chang and then have any questions about how to apply his ideas, I'm sure many people here would be willing to help, myself included (although I doubt I could add anything much to what he's already devoted so much time to himself).

Best,
Goose

[UncleBEn210]

Your right goose, this isnt a place for uselss bickering, you weren't flaming me and I found the summary on page 205 to be extreamly practical.
 I can understand why you were annoyed with so much unessential posting from lazy people (such as myself) , cramming up the forums when there's other more important topics on discussion.
In all I'd like to thank everyone for all their comments and advice, sorry for wasting a good deal of your time, Best wishes.

UncleBen210

[goose]

Thank you posting such a gracious response, UncleBen. You've just proved why this is one of the best forums on the web.

I hope you enjoy Chang's book and the forum.

Best wishes,
Goose