Liszt Competition live on the web

[anda]

repertoire:

https://www.liszt.nl/2005/conc2005/nederl05/werknl.htm

1st round schedule:

https://www.liszt.nl/2005/conc2005/nederl05/rond1nl.htm

live:

https://portal.omroep.nl/radio?nav=sjdlhCsHdDoBVvDnB

enjoy the wonderful dutch language 

[apion]

enjoy the wonderful dutch language 

My fluency with Dutch ain't what it used to be.  But I did recognize the word "Liszt"!! 

[marialice]

There is an English version of the site as well:
https://www.liszt.nl/2005/conc2005/engels05/openen.htm

(Although I like (and understand) Dutch better)

[anda]

don't get me wrong - i have nothing against the dutch language (except for the fact that i can only guess some words if they look like english )

[Ziggy]

Cool!


The Cliburn competition will be streaming as well

https://www.cliburn.org/

Anyone know if this will be done for the Chopin competition?

[BoliverAllmon]

I just watched some guy perform some absolutely crazy piece. No clue what it was. the funny thing though was when he was done he walked off stage BEHIND THE PIANO!!! I was always told you walk in front. but oh well.

[BoliverAllmon]

holy cow in the final they have to perform either one of his concertoes or his totenatz + his HR2 with the competitor's own cadenza! too bad I couldn't use hamelins.

[BoliverAllmon]

just found out that the piece was his rhapsody espagnole. crazy piece. bangy and extremely showy.

[BoliverAllmon]

I am having so much fun. I am having the extreme pleasure of watching the piano tuner tune the piano during intermission WOOHOO!!!!

[Dazzer]

huh why am i watching a guy tuning the piano?!?!

stupid timezones...

[BoliverAllmon]

well there is nothing else until later tonight.

[Dazzer]

OOOH the tuner is going to play something!

oh wait he just pulled out the keyboard...

argh its 12:21 am here i gotta sleep... - sigh -

[BoliverAllmon]

luckily it is 11:30 here in the morning so i can still see the rest of the competition today.

[Dazzer]

what time isit where the liszt comp is? so maybe i can plan my early wakeups.

[BoliverAllmon]

in three hours. good sleeping HEHEHEHE

[Ziggy]

https://www.liszt.nl/2005/conc2005/nederl05/rond2nl.htm



Round 2 schedule.


I think they start back up in an hour and 45 minutes.

[Dazzer]

yeh but what time EXACTLY? or what time zone? where isit held? netherlands?

[Ziggy]

I think so

[Dazzer]

okay for all future people who're wondering

liszt is GMT +1

[BoliverAllmon]

geez, it seems everyone is playing the same 5 pieces and everyone i playing the mesphisto waltz.

[Dazzer]

and better than how i'd ever be able to play it.

probably.

bah i should stay away from watching that now... blowing my brains out...

[BoliverAllmon]

and better than how i'd ever be able to play it.

probably.

bah i should stay away from watching that now... blowing my brains out...

it is all in the attitude in my opinion. if you can see it being done better then achieve that dream. simple as that.

[marialice]

I just watched some guy perform some absolutely crazy piece. No clue what it was. the funny thing though was when he was done he walked off stage BEHIND THE PIANO!!! I was always told you walk in front. but oh well.

Are you sure about that? The camera is positioned towards the audience. You also see the back of the pianist when they bow

[Kassaa]

There's someone playing, he's doing pretty good, I think, I haven't heard many Liszt recordings.

[Glissando]

I love this.
This is tooo cool! "live" music! yes!

[BoliverAllmon]

Are you sure about that? The camera is positioned towards the audience. You also see the back of the pianist when they bow

yep I am sure.

[Aniam]

One of my teacher's students is playing in this; I get nervous for him when I watch. *g* He's doing pretty good though...

[BoliverAllmon]

One of my teacher's students is playing in this; I get nervous for him when I watch. *g* He's doing pretty good though...

which student?

as anyone else getting tired of hearing the mephisto waltz?

[Aniam]

Jozsef Balog. He's made it to the semi-finals. He isn't actually my teacher's student currently since he's already graduated from the Bartok Conservatory and the Liszt Academy, but she keeps in close touch with most of her students. *g* She wasn't satisfied with his first round performance but thought he did better in round two. Which I think she told him when he called to tell her how it went. Hungarians can be very...frank.

I can't really imagine learning such a large program and then having to play it for audience, jury, and camera. It'd be awfully disappointing to get knocked out in the first round.

[BoliverAllmon]

Jozsef Balog. He's made it to the semi-finals. He isn't actually my teacher's student currently since he's already graduated from the Bartok Conservatory and the Liszt Academy, but she keeps in close touch with most of her students. *g* She wasn't satisfied with his first round performance but thought he did better in round two. Which I think she told him when he called to tell her how it went. Hungarians can be very...frank.

I can't really imagine learning such a large program and then having to play it for audience, jury, and camera. It'd be awfully disappointing to get knocked out in the first round.

I would hate to perform in the liszt competition. kinda boring afterawhile.

boliver

[Aniam]

No kidding. And picture being on the jury...hearing the same freakin' pieces over and over.

[BoliverAllmon]

No kidding. And picture being on the jury...hearing the same freakin' pieces over and over.

I may just have to storm the stage and beat the crap out of the next punk to play the same stupid piece.

[BoliverAllmon]

so, I listened to liszt's b minor sonata several times now. I tried to give it another chance, but I just can't figure out what is the big deal with this piece. His transitions from section to section sucks. he will have points of genius, then just throw it away.

[Nordlys]

So,
who do you think the jury will select for the finals?
Or who do you feel should be selected?

I could unfortunately only listen to the last one of the semifinal (Anton Salnikov).
He was very intense, and he looks like Liszt himself!
The wagner transcription was very nicely played. The sonate was good, but I missed some depth, especially at the end.
Also he could have been more effective in the virtuosic passages. But very musical and intense.

[BoliverAllmon]

So,
who do you think the jury will select for the finals?
Or who do you feel should be selected?

I could unfortunately only listen to the last one of the semifinal (Anton Salnikov).
He was very intense, and he looks like Liszt himself!
The wagner transcription was very nicely played. The sonate was good, but I missed some depth, especially at the end.
Also he could have been more effective in the virtuosic passages. But very musical and intense.

I don't know who will get in. I didn't get to watch to many people perform.

[Aniam]

I missed most of Salnikov, except for the end of the sonata, which was pretty good. But I think he deserved to get the final if only for his impressive Liszt act. The shoulder length hair flopping into his face, the staring towards heaven, etc. And then at the end...most of the pianists took a short bow, walked off the stage, and then in a few minutes came back on for a second bow.

Not Salnikov.

He stood grandly with his hand on the piano as if he had passed through an enormous spiritual ordeal, and faced the audience with proud carriage as if to say, "Applaud me." And they sure as heck did. After multiple bows he walked leisurely off only to come back on to receive his continued due. It was definitely worth watching! So yeah, I can see him in the final.

The Dutch guy I only heard in the first round so I don't know how he did in the others. Sun Yingdi though was one I definitely picked out as not making it to the final. Guess it's a good thing I'm not on the jury. I really didn't like his rendition of the b minor sonata.

Speaking of being on the jury, how on earth do you decide from among nine outstanding pianists which are the three 'best'?

[Nordlys]

I missed most of Salnikov, except for the end of the sonata, which was pretty good. But I think he deserved to get the final if only for his impressive Liszt act. The shoulder length hair flopping into his face, the staring towards heaven, etc. And then at the end...most of the pianists took a short bow, walked off the stage, and then in a few minutes came back on for a second bow.

Not Salnikov.

He stood grandly with his hand on the piano as if he had passed through an enormous spiritual ordeal, and faced the audience with proud carriage as if to say, "Applaud me." And they sure as heck did. After multiple bows he walked leisurely off only to come back on to receive his continued due. It was definitely worth watching! So yeah, I can see him in the final.

You are right!
It is easy to become annoyed because of such theatrical gestures, but he was very convincing. It can reinforce the effect of the music. And in Liszt this kind of act is almost a must!

...
Speaking of being on the jury, how on earth do you decide from among nine outstanding pianists which are the three 'best'?

Well, it is of course a subjective thing. Pianists at this level sound different in the same piece; their personality comes through. But to decide which one is the best? One person in the jury maybe likes a strict way of playing without to much rubato, another thinks that to play without rubato is unmusical. So I think the result could be different with a different jury.

[BoliverAllmon]

the trick is to add rubato is such a way that nobody notices, but the effect is outstanding.

boliver

[Nordlys]

Soon the finale will start.
Anybody going to watch? I am.

We could form a "piano forum jury" and vote for who we will select as the winner. Could be interesting to see if we agree with the jury.

The candidates are:
Christiaan Kuyvenhoven
Anton Salnikov
SUN Yingdi

[Dazzer]

you forget to put the nationalities.

Christiaan Kuyvenhoven (the NETHERLANDS)   <----------
Anton Salnikov (Russia)
SUN Yingdi (P.R. of China)

 

so i'll be watching the result very closely indeed...

But i'd put my money on the russian.

[Aniam]

1. Anton Salnikov

2. Christiaan Kuyvenhoven

3. Sun Yingdi

My bets. 

[Dazzer]

okay christian's done.

i think the first mvt was a bit shaky... maybe nerves. kept slipping notes.

but the last mvt wasn't too bad... could have been faster though... but hey. i can't play it that fast either.

the look on his face at the last few chords... priceless (urgh yes i've finished it)

[Daevren]

I am watching too.

I think Anton Salnikov will probably win. His Bm sonata was very good. Better than Christiaan's one. I don't think I heard Yingdi play. I did hear a chinese guy, probably another one. He played the B minor sonata before Salnikov, that one wasn't that good.

So Salnikov is one for me. Maybe Christiaan second.

[Nordlys]

Yes, but lets hear them first.

It is a pity they don't play the sonata for the final. They can show a lot more in the sonata than in the piano concerto.

But still, I have to say there is a BIG difference between SUN Yingdi and Christiaan Kuyvenhoven!
SUN Yingdi is much better in my opinion. More musical, more ideas, more characters and also his technique looks more relaxed, even if Kuyvenhovens played all the notes (some miss in the beginning though).

[Daevren]

Sure Lets hear Salnikov.

Yingdi's technique was good. Huyvenhoven's technique was barely enough. But Yingdi missed the nuance. He made the concerto into a cliche Liszt work, he didn't manage to add the contrasts between the extremes in the piece. It sounded too flat. Huyvenhoven's first movement was too weak in terms of technique. Considering Yingdi is already 25 he should have approached it more adultlike. Question is, who has to most potential to learn and develop their weakness?

[Nordlys]

I didn't notice before now that you are from the netherlands!

I am sorry  , but I don't agree. I think Huyvenhoven's interpretation was to flat, and he didn't manage to get beyond the technique. But if he is that young, he has of course the potential.

Salnikov is really good, I admit. He is like Liszt recarnated! Playful, and making music all the time! (but did you notice, he also messed up the octaves in the beginning!)

So my vote is:

1 - Anton Salnikov
2 - SUN Yingdi
3 - Christiaan Kuyvenhoven

[Aniam]

I don't think I heard Yingdi play. I did hear a chinese guy, probably another one. He played the B minor sonata before Salnikov, that one wasn't that good.

That was Yingdi. No idea why they picked him over Zuo Zhang. She was so much better.

Liked Salnikov's interpretation of the concerto the best. Christiaan was totally nervous. Missed the Rhapsody performances so far. Am just in time to catch Salnikov...

[Aniam]

Okay, he has to get first.

I might give Christiaan third, but I think the jury will give him second.

[Nordlys]

(I can only think about the Tom & Jerry-cartoon when I hear this rhapsody...)


Kuyvenhovens rhapsody was actually quite good.

But Sun Yingdi was fenomenal. I don't know what you have against him. I think he was the best in this rhapsody, he definitely was technically better (unbelievable fast!) and he didn't lack musically. Extremely good, and his cadenza was also very good.

Anton Salnikov - well, I was a little disappointed. A bit to much like cafe-music, especially the cadenza. My god!
But overall he is definitely an interesting pianist.


My list is now:
1 - Anton Salnikov OR Sun Yingdi
3 - Christiaan Kuyvenhoven

[Aniam]

But Sun Yingdi was fenomenal. I don't know what you have against him.

*g* Mainly what I 'have against him' is that he was picked for the final over Zuo Zhang even those his b minor sonata sucked. So I'm a bit prejudiced, even though I guess he can't help what the jury decided.

Missed most of his rhapsody...I was taking a break from the computer for a while.