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Offline thierry13

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Beethoven sonata?
« on: May 03, 2005, 11:32:01 PM »
Wich Beethoven sonata (a early one)you think would be fairly challenging and good for a conservatory audition, else than the pathetique(wich I allready learned, I may do this one, but I want to try a new one).

Sheet music to download and print: Sonatas by Beethoven



Offline Goldberg

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #1 on: May 03, 2005, 11:44:23 PM »
Op. 7, op. 26, op. 27 no. 1, and whatever the early C major is...

Offline RoyalJoyal89

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #2 on: May 04, 2005, 12:17:41 AM »
Not sure if they are early or not but i liek the Waldstein and Tempest.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #3 on: May 04, 2005, 12:24:08 AM »
Op. 7 is terrific. Very challenging. For ages it seemed like no one was playing it, though now it seems like it's getting more and more popular.  Has a very difficult to pull off(musically, that is) slow movement.

Op. 2, No. 2 in A major. Or Op. 10, No. 3 in D major are also good choices.
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #4 on: May 04, 2005, 01:07:27 AM »
Appassionata, hammerklavier, or the very last sonata.  in my opinion 3 of the best pieces ever written.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #5 on: May 04, 2005, 01:15:38 AM »
I would sure go for them If I would have time for, because they are sure my favorite, by I mentioned early sonatas  ;) By the way, the one you all mentioned are really good, tough I still don't know wich one to choose  :-\

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #6 on: May 04, 2005, 04:36:12 AM »
Waldstein, Appassionata, Hammerklavier are definitely NOT early sonatas.

Everything else suggested is exactly what you're looking for. op. 7 could make a great audition, op. 26 (A-flat major) is a particularly big and often-ignored early sonata which I really like - It has a Theme & Variations, and a Funeral March, and everything. I have great respect for op.2/1 (f minor), which for various reasons might be considered insufficient, for an audition... still it's a miraculous piece which you might want to look at while you're reading through all these others.
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #7 on: May 04, 2005, 08:28:20 AM »
i learned pathetique but, i switched it with op.7.  pathetique is not the best choice for audition.  try with op.7, it is very challenging, and rarely played.  don't do moonlight, for the same reason as pathetique.  op.2 n.1 (i think f minor) is also nice one. op.2 n.2 (A major)  has a lot of work on it, demanding as op.7
op.2 n.3 (C-major) is another good one. it all depends on you, which of these you like more.
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #8 on: May 04, 2005, 12:06:08 PM »
Aha! Yes, I too was going to suggest op. 2 no. 2 in A major but couldn't remember the no's...terrific little piece. Do the op. 7 if you have the time and skill (or the op. 26 would be an excellent choice as well, the only real "problem" being that it's in 4 separate movements, and the 1st one can be quite a challenge).

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #9 on: May 04, 2005, 04:54:58 PM »
Op. 10/3 or Op. 22

Those are the best of the early ones in my humble opinion.
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #10 on: May 04, 2005, 08:00:35 PM »
do we count pastorale as early one?
then op.2no.2 op.2no.3 op.7 op.10 no.2 op.10no.3 op.22 for the audition
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #11 on: May 04, 2005, 08:38:27 PM »
Op2 No3 would be my choice for an early Sonata.
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #12 on: May 04, 2005, 11:40:26 PM »
I think I'll learn op.10 no.3. It's my favorite from the early sonatas I listened to. I'll learn it and polish it, polish pathetique, and I will then choose wich one I'll play.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #13 on: May 05, 2005, 12:50:45 AM »
op2 no3 is real nice IMO, its pretty straightforward learning it except for those thirds in the beginning

op10 no3 is cool too, im learning it right now, u def made a good choice

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #14 on: May 05, 2005, 02:08:07 AM »
Op. 7 is the way to go, certainly. Op. 2 No. 3 is waaaaay overdone. Op. 10 No. 3 is a good choice, I suppose. I don't really know how much it's played for auditions. But the three that are way overplayed are 2/3, the Appassionata and the Waldstein. And don't do a late sonata for a conservatory audition (I'm assuming you're relatively young), because they really frown on young people playing late Beethoven.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #15 on: May 05, 2005, 02:50:10 AM »
Late beethoven sonatas require a lot of maturity, like the Apassionata, Hammerklavier, op.111, etc. I could play them technically, but I don't think I would have time to get them to their full maturity, and get a good interpretation out of it. It would be good notes, with basic musicality... and that suck lol.(and yeah i'm young, I'm 15 years old, so it would not be a good idea)So I'm gonna learn this op.10 no.3 , and anyway I just love it! Thanks for all your answers.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #16 on: May 05, 2005, 04:28:08 AM »
Late beethoven sonatas require a lot of maturity, like the Apassionata, Hammerklavier, op.111, etc. I could play them technically, but I don't think I would have time to get them to their full maturity, and get a good interpretation out of it. It would be good notes, with basic musicality... and that suck lol.(and yeah i'm young, I'm 15 years old, so it would not be a good idea)So I'm gonna learn this op.10 no.3 , and anyway I just love it! Thanks for all your answers.

You could play the Hammerklavier after 1.5 years.  That's impressive.
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #17 on: May 06, 2005, 02:08:42 PM »
very good choice, the op. 10 No.3 was my first beethoven sonata.  I apologize for my response earlier, I just saw Beethoven sonatas and those popped into my head, i didn't pay attention to the (early) part lol.  but newayz yes if you can play the hammerklavier after 1.5 years I'm very impressed.  after 13 years of playing I still have issues with that one.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #18 on: May 07, 2005, 12:35:41 AM »
Yeah I could play it... but it's SO long, it would take more than a month for sure.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #19 on: May 07, 2005, 05:27:29 AM »
Appassionata, hammerklavier, or the very last sonata.  in my opinion 3 of the best pieces ever written.

Dan

But be very confident in your musicianship if you want to do Op 111 - that second movement has a lot of unpianistic stuff in it, and would be difficult to pull off!
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #20 on: May 07, 2005, 11:21:07 PM »
Yeah I could play it... but it's SO long, it would take more than a month for sure.

Quite simply- no you couldn't. No fully mature pianist masters this piece in under five years, period.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #21 on: May 08, 2005, 12:58:27 AM »
op 10 no 1 in c minor, is excellent.

That's what i used, and it worked well, even when i messed it up.


It is a challenge though.  Listen to all three movements.

The first is powerful, the 2nd beautiful, the 3rd bombastic, and quick as hell.


It's CRAZY i love it.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #22 on: May 08, 2005, 06:14:27 AM »
Ok, let's get this straight.... For all the ignorant people out there..  C- Op. 10 No. 1 is NOT considered an early sonata.   That is clearly not what the post was asking.  Second of all, Op. 2 No. 3 in C MA  is definitely a standard as far as repertoire and auditions are concerned.  Hope this helps.

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«Reply #23 on: May 08, 2005, 08:25:17 AM »
Ok, let's get this straight.... For all the ignorant people out there..  C- Op. 10 No. 1 is NOT considered an early sonata.   That is clearly not what the post was asking.  Second of all, Op. 2 No. 3 in C MA  is definitely a standard as far as repertoire and auditions are concerned.  Hope this helps.
Op. 10/1 is the 5th of 32 sonatas -- that's not early? (It might technically be the 7th, depending on when the Op. 49 sonatas were written, but that's neither here nor there). In terms of his compositional style, the early sonatas would probably encompass everything before the Waldstein, the middle sonatas would include Waldstein through Das Lebewohl, and the late sonatas would be Op. 90 - Op. 111. One could further break down the "early period" into, say, "early" and "early-middle," in which case (again, going by compositional style) I'd probably put the dividing line between Op. 26 and Op. 27. The idea of a "dividing line" is flawed however, because clearly his maturity was a gradual process. But no matter how you slice it, all three of the Op. 10 sonatas are "considered early." Get your facts straight before calling people ignorant.
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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #24 on: May 08, 2005, 06:45:14 PM »
Op. 10/1 is the 5th of 32 sonatas -- that's not early? (It might technically be the 7th, depending on when the Op. 49 sonatas were written, but that's neither here nor there). In terms of his compositional style, the early sonatas would probably encompass everything before the Waldstein, the middle sonatas would include Waldstein through Das Lebewohl, and the late sonatas would be Op. 90 - Op. 111. One could further break down the "early period" into, say, "early" and "early-middle," in which case (again, going by compositional style) I'd probably put the dividing line between Op. 26 and Op. 27. The idea of a "dividing line" is flawed however, because clearly his maturity was a gradual process. But no matter how you slice it, all three of the Op. 10 sonatas are "considered early." Get your facts straight before calling people ignorant.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #25 on: May 08, 2005, 09:45:52 PM »
Ok, let's get this straight.... For all the ignorant people out there..  C- Op. 10 No. 1 is NOT considered an early sonata.   That is clearly not what the post was asking.  Second of all, Op. 2 No. 3 in C MA  is definitely a standard as far as repertoire and auditions are concerned.  Hope this helps.

I'm not ignorant.

Thanks.

It is an earlier sonata you moron.  Learn the facts....then bash.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #26 on: May 08, 2005, 11:43:19 PM »
Ok, let's get this straight.... For all the ignorant people out there.. C- Op. 10 No. 1 is NOT considered an early sonata. That is clearly not what the post was asking. Second of all, Op. 2 No. 3 in C MA is definitely a standard as far as repertoire and auditions are concerned. Hope this helps.

This is clearly WHAT i was asking. They are not ignorant. I consider op.2 to opus 28 early.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #27 on: May 08, 2005, 11:45:06 PM »
Quite simply- no you couldn't. No fully mature pianist masters this piece in under five years, period.

I'm not speaking of taking it to its full musical possibilities. I was speaking technically. Most pianists can handle it technically, same at early ages. What can pianists not do, is taking it to a superior music level.

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«Reply #28 on: May 08, 2005, 11:50:00 PM »
yea, i was actually going to mention Op 10-1-its got a few trickly parts, and the second movement is i think very tricky as well, but if played well, i think this piece shows many pianistic skills...
good luck on whichever piece you decide. let us know how it goes.

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«Reply #29 on: May 09, 2005, 03:14:31 AM »
I'm not speaking of taking it to its full musical possibilities. I was speaking technically. Most pianists can handle it technically, same at early ages. What can pianists not do, is taking it to a superior music level.

Ok, meaning that you do not have the technique to take it to its full musical possibilities.

Using your definition of "technique",

Quite simply- no you couldn't. I have absolutely no doubts that you couldn't play that fugue. And I'd love to hear you play that separated octaves passage at the end of the first movement. Someone I know who has played both the Hammerklavier (and a definitive performance of it no less) and the Rachmaninoff Third has said that they are equally technically difficult.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #30 on: May 11, 2005, 09:44:48 PM »
Op. 10 no. 2 is quite delightful and often overlooked...the fugal third movement is none too easy.

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #31 on: May 12, 2005, 03:07:39 PM »
speaking of Beethoven sonatas, I just found this link (somebody posted it on another forum)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classical/pizarro/

I've been listening for days!

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #32 on: July 23, 2005, 11:16:17 PM »
If you count it as early, try the 'Pastorale' Sonata in D major. It's an amazingly beautiful piece, and only somewhat more difficult that 'Pathetique'. And, it's not as overplayed as 'Pathetique' or 'Moonlight'. But don't take my word for it, I'll be using 'Pathetique' in the auditions anyway...

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Re: Beethoven sonata?
«Reply #33 on: July 24, 2005, 01:36:56 AM »
Op. 54