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Offline TremolO

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Bored with Piano...
on: May 08, 2005, 08:40:44 PM
Lately I've been bored with playing piano.

There's like no cool effects you can use like with guitar or anything.  Nothing that sounds different or thats really original.  Most of those famous Pianists are all the same.  There's no Hendrix of Piano that like changed the whole style of playing or did something different. 

With Piano you can just play the notes, and they don't even sustain long enough to get some emotion into the song.

What should I do???    :-\
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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #1 on: May 08, 2005, 08:50:56 PM
OMG... you missed the whole point of piano playing. And you don't even understand piano playing. And you don't even know the ones who changed piano playing. Leave now, please.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #2 on: May 08, 2005, 09:06:53 PM
Lately I've been bored with playing piano.

There's like no cool effects you can use like with guitar or anything.  Nothing that sounds different or thats really original.  Most of those famous Pianists are all the same.  There's no Hendrix of Piano that like changed the whole style of playing or did something different. 

With Piano you can just play the notes, and they don't even sustain long enough to get some emotion into the song.

What should I do???    :-\
i think every pianists (at high level)have their own sound like horowitz,rubinstein,gilels,richter,cziffra that is not the same at all
so if u bored with piano try to find recording of some great pianists that play the same piece and try to notice what is different between his sound timbre touching and what they make with the piece
btw piano is acoustic instrument like classical guitar,string like violin viola cello double bass it isnt electric guitar or electric bass that u need to connect them to amp so the piano produce sound of their own we dont need any pickup like guitar so we not need any effect
btw if u wanna change the sound try electric piano maybe it helps
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Offline tenn

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #3 on: May 08, 2005, 09:07:16 PM
Get a like electric piano and do like cool stuff like like dog barks and stuff like. Like.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #4 on: May 08, 2005, 09:15:28 PM

I forgot to mention I play more of a Classic Rock/Blues Style.  I notice artists like Albert Ammons, Memphis Slim, and Thelonius monk all are "original" and somewhat different but it is all the same type of thing.  There is nothing entirerly bizzarre you can do on a piano except slide off a note, sweep etc.  This is atleast what I am noticing lately...and I want to be proven wrong because I like piano :)

Also I'm not just talking about sound.  I know its going to sound like a piano.  I'm talking about effects.  Not like a dog barking or a bell or synth sound.  I mean cool effects you can do with a piano.  For example on guitar you can make it squeel, bend notes, etc. 



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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #5 on: May 08, 2005, 10:51:51 PM
Also I'm not just talking about sound. I know its going to sound like a piano. I'm talking about effects. Not like a dog barking or a bell or synth sound. I mean cool effects you can do with a piano. For example on guitar you can make it squeel, bend notes, etc.

ever heard of a Prepared piano?† 8)

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Reply #6 on: May 08, 2005, 11:12:25 PM
Well if your looking for cool effects your probably looking at the wrong instrument, unless you want to play synthesiser.  Electric piano does a kind of false harmonic thing if you play really loud.  But in terms of styles listen to the great jazz pianists, Art Tatum would be my first recommendation, if your not blown away by what he can do on a piano then give up.  Otherwise listen to the likes of Dave Brubeck, Ray Charles, Little Richard, you'll get a spectrum of the different ways a piano can be played.  It's a great instrument and just cos you can't get sustain by no means means you can't put emotion into it, you really can.
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Offline Steve T

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #7 on: May 09, 2005, 01:13:07 AM
It sound to me like you need to take up synth, or electric guitar. I've done things the other way round. I was a pro guitarist playing many different styles, from Van Halen to the Shadows and everything in between. I know find the piano more pure, more challenging and more intellectually stimulating.
Learning to sweep pick and two hand tap on a guitar with huge verb and delay, compression to sustain notes and etreme overdrive (as a heavy rock / metal example) actually requires very little disciplined skill. The effects hide a thousand sins. It's much harder to play a tough, fast classical piano piece with accuracy and good technique.
I think it was a little harsh whoever suggested he should 'leave now'. Instead, perhaps listen to some of the ground-breaking composers and pianists, relevant to their day. There is plenty to satisfy your need for the 'extreme' in classical musical if you dig around a bit.
BTW, in his day Liszt was considered as radical and virtuosic as Hendrix was in the 60's. He even had hoardes of women swooning at his feet, just like a modern day rock star. Paganini was no slouch either in terms of showmanship and virtuosity....maybe the violin is the instrument for you. With an electric one, you can add effects as you please. :)

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #8 on: May 09, 2005, 01:21:28 AM
OMG... you missed the whole point of piano playing. And you don't even understand piano playing. And you don't even know the ones who changed piano playing. Leave now, please.

If every accredited piano teacher were like you, the world would be on fire.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #9 on: May 09, 2005, 02:18:02 AM
If every accredited piano teacher were like you, the world would be on fire.

That's not the way I would teach piano playing to a student, but he's not my piano student. The things he said shocked me, so here is a shocking answer. With a student I would explain all the things he missed, but it is so long, I didn't had time for it.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #10 on: May 09, 2005, 02:29:14 AM
some pieces on a grand require strumming the strings inside.  Try Alexina Louie's pieces.  (20th century, or course)
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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #11 on: May 09, 2005, 03:04:25 AM
That's not the way I would teach piano playing to a student, but he's not my piano student. The things he said shocked me, so here is a shocking answer. With a student I would explain all the things he missed, but it is so long, I didn't had time for it.

Use your head.† He posted the message because he is bored with the piano and needs support or advice, which was clear from his original post.  Your reply contributed nothing, in fact, it did the exact opposite.  And since nobody held a gun to your head and forced to type out that pile of garbage, I'm guessing it was for your own benefit.  Nice.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #12 on: May 09, 2005, 03:17:20 AM
If every accredited piano teacher were like you, the world would be on fire.

Use your head.  He posted the message because he is bored with the piano and needs support or advice, which was clear from his original post.  Your reply contributed nothing, in fact, it did the exact opposite.  And since nobody held a gun to your head and forced to type out that pile of garbage, I'm guessing it was for your own benefit.  Nice.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #13 on: May 09, 2005, 04:46:31 AM
There's no Hendrix of Piano that like changed the whole style of playing or did something different. 



Chopin and Liszt could be the Hendrixi of piano playing- sure there hasn't been much change since then, but it's simply because pianist are now like dust bunnies -you have to look under the mat to find them. When there is one that really stands out, the majority of people will never see it.
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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #14 on: May 09, 2005, 07:32:56 AM
When I was younger I had a very similar experience.

Maybe buy/borrow an electronic keyboard, one with a pitch bend wheel, mod wheel and many assignable rotary knobs. These will allow you to create 'cool effects'. Go to your local music store and muck around with some keyboards or ask someone to show you one that has lots of cool effects. Do not buy an instrument that is trying to replicate the piano sound and feel, you probably want more synth than anything else. You might also consider a cheap controller keyboard to connect to your computer.

Maybe buy/borrow an electric guitar. After six years of playing piano/keyboard that's what I did. You can rock on a guitar after a short amount of playing.

Maybe your enjoyment of playing the piano will increase as you skill increases as a pianist. As a beginner you have little control over the instrument so you may not be able to 'get emotion into the song', especially if your are just playing simple melodies. However as you improve you can control the instrument better and get more emotion into your playing.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #15 on: May 09, 2005, 07:56:23 AM
Oh man that'd be awesome if one of these absurdist piano composers would like prepare a piano with dogs inside the case and like the hammers of the piano would be targeted to like hit the dogs in the eyes or something I dunno.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #16 on: May 09, 2005, 08:26:34 AM
Oh man that'd be awesome if one of these absurdist piano composers would like prepare a piano with dogs inside the case and like the hammers of the piano would be targeted to like hit the dogs in the eyes or something I dunno.

or or...one of those same composers could prepare a piano with ignorant human beings like you..having lacerated these human beings in several places..then having the hammers hit those fresh wounds..when playing forte..these wounds would just re-open and increase in size...
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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #17 on: May 09, 2005, 08:29:25 AM
haha yeah that'd be pretty cool too.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #18 on: May 09, 2005, 12:02:10 PM
two words

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #19 on: May 09, 2005, 02:25:26 PM
i just say OSKAR SALA

try: https://www.trautonium.com/

the guy created the sound of hitchcocks "birds" with a piano like
instrument called trautonium (first electronic keyboard).  :)

get some of his cds for realy cool effects.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #20 on: May 09, 2005, 03:02:22 PM
www.jordanrudess.com this is the guy for you
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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #21 on: May 09, 2005, 03:52:01 PM
One interesting experiment you might try is to take two items of printed music -- one the original score and the other a simplified arrangement.

Learn both.

I tried this with the Ravel "Pavane For A Dead Princess," and also about a Level 3 or Level 4 book arrangement of the same piece.  I learned the first page of Ravel's and all of the arrangement.

It is quite dramatic.  The two sound quite different.  It is a little bit like comparing a prime steak with undercooked hamburger.

The pianoforte is called that because the player has a lot of control.  A player can control the sound. 

Something like an electronic keyboard lacks the control of a piano.

But I tend to agree with the one respondent who said you have a major attitude problem.   A lot of it may have to do with "image" -- to a young adult, the rock band instruments are "exciting."  Maturity figures into this.

Some of the hot current pop artists do their own keyboards.  How about the group "Five for Fighting" ?   The lead singer does his own keyboards.

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Re: Bored with Piano...
Reply #22 on: May 10, 2005, 05:18:29 AM
go away!
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