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Offline goldenmudpie

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how to practice those stupid technique?
on: May 10, 2005, 02:26:42 AM
hey! i'm sorry to bother you guys, but i'm a newbie here.
Well, i've been playing piano for quite a while ( 9 years), and right now i'm in grade 9 and omg the amount of technique i have to do is overwhelming! I tried practicing long and hard but it feels like there is not much progress, especially my chords and arpeggios! ( the tempos required at the exam is so high!)
and guess wht? my exam is in a month, and well i might as well fail tht and be killed by my piano teacher! Marvelous.
Any advice?

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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #1 on: May 10, 2005, 02:31:52 AM
For starters, look into my linik below.
C.C.Chang; my home page:

 https://www.pianopractice.org/

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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #2 on: May 11, 2005, 08:42:51 PM
You should post what ARE the tempos, and what ARE the technical demands. Then, we will be able to help.

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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #3 on: May 12, 2005, 02:06:59 AM
I have to do the following in every major and minor key...

Scales, formula patterns  M.M. -104
4-note form chords, solid- 92 seperate- 104
dominant 7th, diminished 7th- solid and borken 104
arpeggios ( major, minor, dominant 7th, siminished 7th)- 92
octave scales - 60

i'm especially having trouble at getting the arpeggios up to speed at 92 per quarter note, it's so hard!

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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #4 on: May 12, 2005, 12:01:11 PM
First of all, don't panic! The technical tests are only 10 marks out of 100. If your pieces are in good shape, then a 6 or 7 should carry you through.

On the other hand, of course you want to get a good mark, and if you're going to go on with the conservatory stuff you will need the Grade 9 technique as a basis for the Grade 10. So here are a couple of exercises that may help with the arpeggios. I'll use C major, root position for all the examples.

1. As Chang and Bernhard point out, the tricky part of the arpeggio is getting from the first C-E-G to the next.  Play C E G solidly with the correct fingering, then maintain that same hand position (don't tuck your thumb under and try to play legato) and jump your hand up to the next C E G and play it. After doing this for a bit, extend the exercise:
a. by jumping back down (still in solid position)
b. by doing the whole 4 octaves up and down.
Caution: don't spend too much time on this at once...do a bit, then work on something else for a while. You need to keep your hands doing different things or you will overstrain them.

2. Part of the problem may be the fact that you have to do them HT. Use the black keys as anchors so you can feel where you are on the keyboard. If you're right handed you probably need to keep your eyes more on your left hand.

3. Practise just moving your thumbs from C to C as fast as possible.

4. This exercise seems to help fix arpeggios in the brain (it's also useful in pieces containing arpeggio passages): Play C-E-E, E-G-G, G-C-C, C-E-E  etc. in triplets up and down.  Accent the first note of each triplet.

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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #5 on: May 12, 2005, 12:07:51 PM
Also, you should take a look here, especially Bernhard's 3rd link.

https://www.pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,8884.msg90129.html#msg90129

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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #6 on: August 04, 2005, 04:41:20 PM
hey! i'm sorry to bother you guys, but i'm a newbie here.
Well, i've been playing piano for quite a while ( 9 years), and right now i'm in grade 9 and omg the amount of technique i have to do is overwhelming! I tried practicing long and hard but it feels like there is not much progress, especially my chords and arpeggios! ( the tempos required at the exam is so high!)
and guess wht? my exam is in a month, and well i might as well fail tht and be killed by my piano teacher! Marvelous.
Any advice?
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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #7 on: August 05, 2005, 04:03:40 AM
The above advice is very good.

Try practicing with cross training methods.

1)Play with one hand stacatto and the other legato (easy)
2) Play one hand projected (louder) over the other (Harder)
3) Play one hand in triplets and the other in duplets (hardest)
      -with this you will need to do two octaves in one hand and three in the other.
     
Most of these will require you to play at half to 3|4 speed. Don't worry, you will become sure of your fingering and notes, and once you learn to play these the easy, harder, and hardest ways. the normal way will be laughingly easy...

Good luck
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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #8 on: August 05, 2005, 05:20:59 AM
You're from Canada aren't you?  Those are the RCM syllabus technique exercises aren't they?  I just finished my grade nine, and you probably don't want to know how I did it.  I did it all twice everyday for about a week.  No pieces as you can imagine.  Once I got it down to about 4 hours to do it 2x, I brought the pieces back in, and with the technique did only half one day and half the next.  Two hours of technique a day.  Did this for quite a while, and as it got faster, got it down to 2 and a half hours to do it all twice.  (My teacher makes me do it all twice, like every requirement two times before moving on to the next scale or whatever).  So then I did it all everyday and half my day was technique and the other half piano.  I recommend doing it all everyday as soon as possible because I waited too long only doing half and half and didn't have enough time to get it good before the exam, which cost me a couple marks. 

My technique was REALLY SLOW when I started though, so that's why it took so long.  If your technique is already at grade 8 speed you have an advantage I didn't. 

On the practical side, try doing it chromatically.  Like scales for example do C major, then without repeating the bottom c go right into c minor harmonic and again without repeating the bottom c, do the melodic version.  Then you have one metronome tick to jump up to C sharp major and start again.  When I said I do it all twice I meant like C+, C+, c minor harm, c minor harm, c minor mel. c minor mel.  and so on.

Right now, I'm starting again.  Half my grade ten technique one day and half the next.  I've actually got it down to 2 and a half hours to do it all 2x, but I haven't tried it all together yet.  I should.  I don't know if I have the stamina, yet.  Right now, my pieces are worse off then my technique though, so they get precidence.

I know my answer was probably not music to you ears.  But it does work.  On the bright side, know you're not alone!  All us RCMers are with you!
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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #9 on: August 05, 2005, 07:59:02 PM
  All us RCMers are with you!

Yes we are... go for it
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Re: how to practice those stupid technique?
Reply #10 on: August 05, 2005, 11:56:14 PM
Once you've got that down, enjoy learning four note chords alternating, like 1-3-2-5 instead of 1-2-3-5.  Once you will be at grade 10 level, that's pretty much all you will have to worry about besides speeding up your scales a little...
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