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Offline thomj

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What is your lineage?
« on: June 13, 2005, 02:32:10 AM »

Who is your teacher? Who was your teachers teacher? Who was your teachers teachers teacher? Lay it all down, like a big piano family tree.

Offline quantum

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #1 on: June 13, 2005, 03:06:00 AM »
I have been interested in doing research in this subject but never devoted much time. 

Here is a partial list (don't know if it is all correct so please correct me if I'm wrong) in backwards order. 

1) Me
2) Petchersky
3) ???????
4) Schnabel
5) Leschetizky
6) Czerny
7) Beethoven

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1) Me
2) Petrowska-Quilico
3) R. Levhine
4) ????????

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Offline pianonut

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #2 on: June 13, 2005, 03:37:44 AM »
found it interesting that my teacher at wcu never mentions his.  i had to look it up (rarely even posts all of it on recital programs).  seems that each pianist speaks for themselves (how much or little they learned from their teachers - teachers- teacher).

when you recieve some good stuff - how to finger, how to count rhythms correctly, how to be more musical in your interpretations, a little foreign language understanding, etc. (getting better at imagining, memorizing, using practice time) these things make you recollect your great teachers with much more fondness than names.  they are actual experiences that you carry with you.

i've also learned to be MUCH more appreciative of all the teacher's i've had, and not just the ones that had famous teachers.  you start to realize the effort they put in when you are very young or first starting out (may be the hardest teaching position) and those that took time to explain things to you, gave you extra time, listened to your problems, and generally were like gradeschool teachers in their extraordinary grace when you were fumbling around.

do you know why benches fall apart?  it is because they have lids with little tiny hinges so you can store music inside them.  hint:  buy a bench that does not hinge.  buy it for sturdiness.

Offline Rach3

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #3 on: June 13, 2005, 03:53:56 AM »
(1) myself
(2) my teacher
(3) "Olga Samaroff" http://www.lib.umd.edu/PAL/IPAM/IPAMsamaroff.html
(4) Ernest Jedliczk (and others)
(5) Anton Rubinstein;Tschaikovsky
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Offline faulty_damper

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #4 on: June 13, 2005, 05:08:31 AM »
Formally I've only had two teachers.  Informally, I've had thousands.

I absolutely detest those who mention only one of their teachers who is somehow related to some well-known figure in music history.  I absolutely refuse to believe they only had ONE teacher for their entire schooling.

It's just easier to say I'm taught by Rachmaninov to impress people. ::)

By the way, I'm a student of Rachmaniniov.
ONE of Rachmaninov's teachers: Nicolai Zverev.
Who is Zverev?  Who knows?  Anyone know Rachmaninov?  Yes?  Then yeah, I'm taught by Rachmaninov. ::)

Offline iumonito

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #5 on: June 13, 2005, 05:44:15 AM »
This is an invitation for the pretentious, but I will indulge myself and answer.  Note, though, that no matter who your teachers were, the question is can you play.  There are scores of pianists who studied with my teachers that are much better than I am, so there is no fooling anybody here.   ;)

I studied with Cesar Rangel, who studied, among others, with Jorge Bolet, who studied, among others with David Saperton and then directly and indirectly with Leopold Godowsky, who in spite of Saint-Saens was mostly self-taught.  Cesar also received formative training from Enrica Cavallo-Gulli and Alfonso Montecinos, if you want to track those down (I think you will find respectively Busoni and Krause (plug in the Liszt line here) at some point for these two).

I also had the fortune of playing for and getting the back-bone of my music training from Judit Jaimes, who studied with Isabelle Vengerova, a student of Leschetizky (plug in the rest).  She also studied with Rudolph Serkin.

My last two teachers were Lev Vlassenko and Michel Block, who got their training in the Tchaikovsky and Julliard conservatories respectively, not sure with whom.

With all that genetic background, I should play chopsticks better.   :)
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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #6 on: June 13, 2005, 06:54:14 AM »
me
hicks
some old guy
old lady
old guy
person
michael jackson
luther vandross
jonathan taylor thomas
hillary duff
czerny
bill gates
Johan Sebastian Bach
Adam Corolla
Leopold Mozart
Benji
Shrek






im very in touch with my tree as you can see..i respect my predecessors greatly
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Offline Kassaa

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #7 on: June 13, 2005, 06:40:52 PM »
Me
Teacher
Teacher's teacher
Claudio Arrau
Martin Krause
Franz Liszt
Carl Czerny
Ludwig van Beethoven
Josheph Haydn

This is true, really.
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Offline nanabush

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #8 on: June 13, 2005, 08:04:42 PM »
Aww you guys have interesting piano trees...especially husky...
Interested in discussing:

-Prokofiev Toccata
-Scriabin Sonata 2

Offline Nana_Ama

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #9 on: June 13, 2005, 09:47:50 PM »
Mine is kind of interesting...

{H. Brandenburg, Carlo Zecchi, M. Long, W. Gieseking, D. Zaslavsky.}
                                      |
                 My 1st and 2nd Teacher's Teacher
                                /             \
                     My 1st Teacher   \
                             /                   \
                           My 2nd Teacher
                                      |
                                    Me


In words: my teacher taught my current teacher.  They both have the SAME teacher!  How cool is that?  :o
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Offline thomj

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #10 on: June 14, 2005, 12:40:41 AM »
I asked only out of curiosity and interest. It wasn't an invitation for gasconaderie, contrary to what some might have assumed. I thought perhaps that a lot of us would, somewhere down the line, have common teachers. It's inevitable right? I was not suggesting that our first teachers weren't important blah blah... just curious ::)

So keep going!!

Offline liszt1022

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #11 on: June 14, 2005, 04:22:31 AM »
1. me
2. melissa marrion
3. karen dayas
4. william h. dayas (father of k. dayas)
5. liszt
6. czerny
7. beethoven

Offline dinosaurtales

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #12 on: June 14, 2005, 05:15:40 AM »
Once again I am the goat:

Me
My teacher
My teacher's mom
So much music, so little time........

Offline faulty_damper

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #13 on: June 14, 2005, 06:22:40 AM »
Beethoven was taught by Neefe.

Offline Siberian Husky

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #14 on: June 14, 2005, 06:43:29 AM »
and Salieri..anda bunch of other people
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Offline odsum25

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #15 on: June 21, 2005, 03:10:51 AM »
My teacher studied with Nadia Boulanger, Adele Marcus, and Edward Steurmann.

Offline holysentiment

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #16 on: June 21, 2005, 03:25:57 AM »
1. Me
2. Jovianney Emmanuel Cruz
3. Solomon Mikowsky
4. Sascha Gorodnitzki
5. Josef Lhevine

Offline Kohai

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #17 on: June 21, 2005, 04:11:37 AM »
1.  Me (Music)

2.  My teachers (Music)

3.  Their teachers (Music)

4.  Their teachers (Music)

5.  Music

6.  Music

7.  Music

8.  Etc.


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Offline Floristan

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #18 on: June 21, 2005, 04:06:04 PM »
Me
Julian White (my teacher)
Egon Petri
Busoni

...but I like Husky's list the most!  ;D

Offline Bouter Boogie

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #19 on: June 22, 2005, 03:36:06 PM »
JC.. That's a good question, eh  ::)
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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #20 on: June 22, 2005, 04:40:44 PM »
                                    Me
                                   /   \
                                 /       \
                             Prof      Prof
                              /             \
                           Arrau       Prof
                             /                 \
                    and so on         Reisenberg
                                                  \
                                                and so on
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Offline c18cont

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #21 on: June 23, 2005, 08:28:12 PM »
Myself,

Violet Ervin TSU, (Alabama..1965-1968)

Samuel Meschitzky, (New York)

Artur Schnabel

Theodore Leschetizky....

Many others as a youth....

Offline JCarey

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #22 on: June 24, 2005, 08:55:31 PM »
Well my father, who is really my original teacher, was taught by a student of Leopold Godowsky... I'll let the rest of you take it from there.

Offline Jacey1973

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #23 on: June 24, 2005, 09:22:48 PM »
 :)
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Offline Jake

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #24 on: June 27, 2005, 05:05:40 AM »
My teacher studied with Nadia Boulanger, Adele Marcus, and Edward Steurmann.

You
Your teacher
Nadia Boulanger
Ernest Boulanger
Charles-Valentin Alkan

 ;)

Offline Waldszenen

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #25 on: June 27, 2005, 08:23:38 AM »
Me
My teacher
Teacher's teacher
Grieg
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Offline ako

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #26 on: June 29, 2005, 06:26:42 AM »
This is interesting...I had 3 teachers...

1. Me
2. My teacher in elementary school
3. Who knows??

1. Me
2. My teacher in secondary school
3. Her teacher
4. Bartok

1. Me
2. My current teacher
3. Leon Fleisher and John Perry
4. Schnabel for Fleisher and Cecile Genhard for Perry
5. Who is Schnabel's teacher? Who is Genhard's teacher?
6. Their teachers
7. Their teachers
8. And I think Beethoven fits in this layer


Offline Teddybear

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #27 on: June 30, 2005, 09:10:26 PM »
Me
My teacher
Her teacher
Gilels
Neuhaus
Teddybear

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Offline BoliverAllmon

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #28 on: July 02, 2005, 04:45:34 PM »
I go back to Beethoven, but I don't remember how.

Offline luc

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #29 on: July 02, 2005, 08:03:05 PM »
Erm.. Is this thread meant as a joke or is it serious? Are you all serious?? (except Husky - I know this is serious  ;D)
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Offline ako

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #30 on: July 05, 2005, 08:55:05 PM »
Erm.. Is this thread meant as a joke or is it serious? Are you all serious?? (except Husky - I know this is serious  ;D)

...at least I am serious about mine...

Offline Floristan

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #31 on: July 05, 2005, 10:04:04 PM »
Yes, serious.  >:(  But I still like Husky's list best.   ;D

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #32 on: July 07, 2005, 08:33:51 PM »
-Me
-My teacher
-Janina Fialkowska
-Yvonne Hubert
-Alfred Cortot
-Emile Descombes
-F. Chopin :o

This is not of course to say that I play as well as the others in the tree. I wish.... ;D


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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #33 on: December 11, 2015, 09:17:02 PM »
a glimpse back to the glory days of pianostreet.  wish half these kids where still around...

Offline rubinsteinmad

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #34 on: December 11, 2015, 11:55:14 PM »
The b!tch teacher claimed to have studied under Eleanor Sokoloff at Curtis and at Juillard with some teacher she never mentioned.

However, I know better than to trust the claims of a charlatan.

Offline dcstudio

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #35 on: December 13, 2015, 05:31:49 PM »
LISZT
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EMIL VON SAUR
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RICHARD HAUSER
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DR. JACK ROBERTS
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Laurie Carpenter  aka--dcstudio

....OR....
BARTOK
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GYORGY SANDOR
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DR. JACK ROBERTS
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dcstudio

Dr. R was not the nicest teacher I ever had... but the man had a heck of a lineage and I am more than proud to be a part of it. This is only a partial list of it, too.

Offline iansinclair

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #36 on: December 13, 2015, 08:32:01 PM »
While it is perfectly true that a number of folks have had some influence on me as teachers...

There really is only one who stands out, and she had an almost overwhelming influence: Dr. Enid Woodward, FRCO, FAGO.  Not only technique, but interpretation and thought.  Her teacher was Nadia Boulanger.
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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #37 on: December 14, 2015, 12:35:14 PM »
Dr. Enid Woodward, FRCO, FAGO.  Not only technique, but interpretation and thought.  Her teacher was Nadia Boulanger.
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                              I
                 Mrs. Nikki (Kautsagas) Jelson
                              I
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I'm Wesley B if any other students of Mrs. Jelson look this up. 
We were so uneducated, Mother discovered Beethoven on the AM radio during WWII, and we discovered JS Bach in Fantasia the movie in 1957. Mother found Mrs. Jelson from another mother in the PTA who was educated in art. 
 I got the foundation of my classical music education from KLEF-FM radio in the sixties - read off the back of record albums. Before classical radio came to Houston,  we learned to sing from the Singspiration and shape note pamphlets taught in shape note schools in churches in the Appalachian mountains. JS Bach wasn't in the shape note American Hymnal so we didn't know who he was.  

Offline dcstudio

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Re: What is your lineage?
«Reply #38 on: December 14, 2015, 08:49:17 PM »
discovered JS Bach in Fantasia the movie in 1957.
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Fantasia was released in '49 I thought...did you see it for the first time in '57?  I saw it for the first time in '68 when I was four...the same year I started piano lessons.

Regardless of when it came out... that movie solidified my love of classical music, too...  and I come from a very musical family.   Night on Bald Mountain was my favorite--the big demon in the mountain scared the crap out of me... my brother cried...lol..  but I loved it...    Every time it came around we went to see it... it was my all time favorite child-hood flick...  the 2000 version was disappointing but... I still kinda liked it.

but as for the original...Stokowski and Mickey Mouse... I mean... what's not to LOVE!!!  It is the greatest animated movie of all time IMO.

that and cartoon short of Bugs Bunny's Hungarian Rhapsody 2--(to be fair--I also like the Tom and Jerry version)... odd how many from my generation claim that cartoons made them want to play music...lol.

that's my real lineage..

Mickey Mouse
Bugs Bunny (won't go into the Wagner and Barber of Seville I also became aware of thanks to  Bugs.)
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