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Do We Judge Music by Sight More Than Sound?

With an increased share of classical music consumed in various audivisual formats in relation to audio only, a relevant question to ask is whether it disturbs or enhances the musical experience of a classical composition. We have selected four distinctly different types of videos with respectable performances of the same work, Liszt’s Sonata in B minor. Listen and watch a few minutes of each and then cast your vote! Read more >>

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« on: August 05, 2005, 10:56:23 AM »

whose is it, what's the time and can i have a recording?  ^^
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2005, 11:37:10 AM »

its probably a yundi li live recording

leslie howard's studio recording is also quite fast, but maybe he rushed the slow parts.

ive heard yundi is under 24 minutes in some performances.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2005, 03:43:03 PM »

One of the Van Cliburn contestants did is superfast (I think Joyce Yang)


It was really cool too.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2005, 04:00:39 PM »

One of the Van Cliburn contestants did is superfast (I think Joyce Yang)


It was really cool too.
i think you mean chufang huang. and that performance wasn't particularly fast, just sloppy.

overall timing in this piece can often be misleading too. Skepto i assume you are looking for a recording with the fastest technical parts. of the recordings i've heard the 3 that stand out are (all live):

barere
pavel raikerus from this year's liszt competition
yundi li from verbier france

Horowitz and Argerich have the fastest prestissimo octaves, but can be lacking in other passages.

howard must surely have rushed the slow parts to achieve his 24min timing. you cant possible compete on technique doing a 94cd project.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2005, 07:06:13 AM »

Is there a vid or mp3 of the Pavement's Sonata?  Cool
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2005, 08:37:09 AM »

Is there a vid or mp3 of the Pavement's Sonata?  Cool
hahahah you mizzed da boat. this wuz b4 da JEFF randomly went inzane Cool
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2005, 06:48:56 PM »

I have a vid recording of Joyce Yang from the Van Cliburn compitition playing it super fast, and actually, it sounds very good.
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2005, 07:26:41 PM »

http://www.cliburn.org/page/498 she never played the sonata in the cliburn. it's chufang huang you are talking about (the only asian girl who did play it), and i watched that live too. her speed was nowhere near the aforementioned three.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2005, 03:38:20 AM »

Fastest = Worst
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2005, 03:46:46 AM »

Fastest = Worst

Unlegendary. Totally not SDC approved.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2005, 03:50:06 AM »

ultimate shame fo da SDC
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 05:12:29 AM »

http://www.cliburn.org/page/498 she never played the sonata in the cliburn. it's chufang huang you are talking about (the only asian girl who did play it), and i watched that live too. her speed was nowhere near the aforementioned three.

You're wrong.

Yang did play it.

I have proof on vid.

Ning An did as well.
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2005, 05:18:16 AM »

send me the faster one please.  and thanx for that barber sonata.
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2005, 08:06:11 AM »

You're wrong.

Yang did play it.

I have proof on vid.

Ning An did as well.
of course i COULD be wrong, but not before you consolidate your vid with her program list on the official site that i posted. on the site you will also find that Ning An too did NOT play the sonata. it was on his final recital program and he didnt make the cut.

your vids are most likely of these performers in recital or another competition. from watching her clitburn performances, i thought Joyce's don juan was a bit stale and lacked the freewheeling fire of lang lang.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2005, 08:50:59 PM »

alexis weissenberg - 18 minutes.
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2005, 01:45:15 PM »

of course i COULD be wrong, but not before you consolidate your vid with her program list on the official site that i posted. on the site you will also find that Ning An too did NOT play the sonata. it was on his final recital program and he didnt make the cut.

your vids are most likely of these performers in recital or another competition. from watching her clitburn performances, i thought Joyce's don juan was a bit stale and lacked the freewheeling fire of lang lang.

You are a nutcase.

Look at Ning An's Final round, which he DID make it too.  At the very bottom, it reads LISZT SONATA IN B MINOR.

I followed that whole f*ckin competition, and recorded nearly all of it, so I have proof that you're wrong.


And by the way, Yang's sonata is excellent.
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2005, 03:23:59 PM »

Ning An didn't make it to finals and Joyce Yang didn't play the Liszt Sonata in the Van Cliburn. End of story.

If you have proof, please do share. It would be interesting.....
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2005, 03:31:50 PM »

what 18 minutes?HuhHuhHuhHuh??
wowwwwwwwww, that must be fun hehe . is it any good?Huh
i know weissenberg seems to have the habit to rush.  i heard his recording of debussy pieces, and quite a few of them seemed rushed.
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2005, 08:17:27 PM »

Ning An didn't make it to finals and Joyce Yang didn't play the Liszt Sonata in the Van Cliburn. End of story.

If you have proof, please do share. It would be interesting.....

You're wrong.

E-mail me, kingsha@yahoo.com , I'll send them to you.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2005, 08:23:35 PM »

what 18 minutes?HuhHuhHuhHuh??
wowwwwwwwww, that must be fun hehe . is it any good?Huh
i know weissenberg seems to have the habit to rush.  i heard his recording of debussy pieces, and quite a few of them seemed rushed.


  If it's anything like his meltdown with the last movement of the Chopin B minor sonata, I suspect the reason it's so fast is he didn't traverse the whole score.  Fastest (complete) Liszt Sonata has to be Lewenthal's live rendition from the early 50's.

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2005, 12:52:12 AM »

Look:
http://www.cliburn.org/page/462
http://www.cliburn.org/page/498

there is just no point in this argument.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2005, 08:00:29 AM »

  If it's anything like his meltdown with the last movement of the Chopin B minor sonata, I suspect the reason it's so fast is he didn't traverse the whole score.  Fastest (complete) Liszt Sonata has to be Lewenthal's live rendition from the early 50's.

koji
http://dasdc.net/viewtopic.php?t=3807

predicktably  Cool
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2005, 02:09:24 PM »

Look:
http://www.cliburn.org/page/462
http://www.cliburn.org/page/498

there is just no point in this argument.

Ahhh I screwed up, the guy playing the Sonata is Wang Xiohan, I even have it labeled that, I just confused their names.

I don't get the Joyce Yang though, someone must look similar to her as well.  Chu-fang Wang?

I know it's from the competition, and I labeled it Yang, but it's really fast and I remember someone mentioning that it was Yang a while back on the boards, he must be wrong as well.
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