pieces that are so short, but so HARD

[stevie]

yes please

yes, the OC is huge and long, and difficult, but what about those mini pieces that are really hard too?

[nanabush]

Some Chopin preludes, some bach Fugues..

[pita bread]

Godowsky Toccata   

[mlsmithz]

'Feux-follets' from the Liszt TEs is less than four minutes; its counterpart in the Lyapunov TEs, 'Ronde des sylphes', is also less than four minutes, and both are among the most difficult in their respective sets (the shortest Lyapunov TE, 'Ronde des fantomes' - a typical performance takes slightly over three minutes - is also one of the most difficult in the set).  Liszt's 'Gnomenreigen', if played at speed, is very short as well, and pretty bloody difficult.  As nanabush says, some of the Chopin preludes are short and difficult - the shortest 'very difficult' one would be No.5 in D major, which somehow packs a lot of pitfalls and surprises in its 40 seconds.  Some of the Rachmaninov preludes are short and difficult as well - for example, from Op.23, No.7 in C minor and No.9 in E-flat minor are among the shortest in the set but are difficult enough to make the hands of the unprepared fall off at the wrists!

I suppose difficulty is subjective (I'm sure there are many people who find some if not all of the above pieces rather easy), but those are the first ones which leap to my mind.  I'm sure there are innumerable others depending on what you find difficult (double intervals, leaps, chromatic scales, etc.).

[klavierkonzerte]

schuman's davidsbundler
some of those pieces are really hard and all of them them are short.

[thierry13]

Nancarrow's tango, Prokofiev toccata, La campanella, off the top of my head.

[chromatickler]

chopin op10#2 and both its godowsky transcriptions

[thierry13]

The 10-2 is considered hard ? I only heard it has one of the easiest etudes? mmm that sounds like a poll 

[chromatickler]

The 10-2 is considered hard ? I only heard it has one of the easiest etudes? mmm that sounds like a poll 

and you think 10/12 is harder than it sounds

[Kassaa]

10/4, 25/12 (((((

[pseudopianist]

Feux-follets and 10/2

Deadly *shivers*

[pianoden]

A very short piece but extremely hard piece is Liszt's 2nd transcendental study, 1837 version.  This piece can be played a little over 2 minutes, but its jammed packed with so many different techniques, not to mention some of the hardest applications of said techniques (especially the chord jumping near the end)

[rob47]

rachprelude in eflatminor23#9

cziffra flight of the bumbahbee

10/1, 10/2, 10/8, 25-the one in 6ths,25/6,

but with practice they all become easy

except the cziffra.

[thierry13]

and you think 10/12 is harder than it sounds

10/12 sounds easy. 10/2 sounds easy too.

[nanabush]

I think 10/1 is the most varied between the difficulty and how easy it sounds...

[JCarey]

I think Everyali by Xenakis wins, hands down.

[thierry13]

I think Everyali by Xenakis wins, hands down.

How long is it?

[da jake]

10/12 sounds easy. 10/2 sounds easy too.

You sound full of sh*t.

[maul]

One of thierry's first posts:

"Hi everybody,i'm 14 years old and i'm playing piano since one year,and i have a teacher since 2 months,and i'm playing : chopin etude 25.12 , 10.12 , nocturne(chopin),beethoven's pathetique, schubert serenade,schubert impromptu,tchaikovsky's concerto. Would the rachmaninoff prelude in g sharp minor or his concertos  (2,3) would be too difficult for me for the moment or am i improving enough fast for this. Thanks!"

Not only can he play all those after two months with a formal instructor, but now he can sightread any piece known to man. 10/2 is also easy for him. I wonder if he can fly too?

[presto agitato]

Op 10/2 sounds easy but it is very hard (maybe the hardest of the set).

Scriabin´s Prelude Op 11 in E flat minor and Chopin´s Op 28 nums 8,16,19 and 24.

Those preludes are very hard and very short  

[presto agitato]

One of thierry's first posts:

"Hi everybody,i'm 14 years old and i'm playing piano since one year,and i have a teacher since 2 months,and i'm playing : chopin etude 25.12 , 10.12 , nocturne(chopin),beethoven's pathetique, schubert serenade,schubert impromptu,tchaikovsky's concerto. Would the rachmaninoff prelude in g sharp minor or his concertos  (2,3) would be too difficult for me for the moment or am i improving enough fast for this. Thanks!"

Not only can he play all those after two months with a formal instructor, but now he can sightread any piece known to man. 10/2 is also easy for him. I wonder if he can fly too?

I agree with you.

He's just a poseur, who thinks he's as good as Volodos LOL.

He says Franck´s Prelude, Chorale and Fugue is not hard to play and he once told me that he could read Scriabin´s Impromtus at first sight.

I must confess, he helped me find one score i was looking for.

Give him a break he is an imnature boy.

[maul]

Yes, indeed he is. I just hope he finds something better to do with his time than lie on a messageboard.

[m]

One of thierry's first posts:

"Hi everybody,i'm 14 years old and i'm playing piano since one year,and i have a teacher since 2 months,and i'm playing : chopin etude 25.12 , 10.12 , nocturne(chopin),beethoven's pathetique, schubert serenade,schubert impromptu,tchaikovsky's concerto. Would the rachmaninoff prelude in g sharp minor or his concertos  (2,3) would be too difficult for me for the moment or am i improving enough fast for this. Thanks!"

Not only can he play all those after two months with a formal instructor, but now he can sightread any piece known to man. 10/2 is also easy for him. I wonder if he can fly too?

I wish I saw this earlier

[m]

Feux-follets and 10/2

Deadly *shivers*

Yep! But there is one even deadlier--Mendelssohn-Rachmaninov Scherzo from Midsummernight Dreams. It is just little over 4 minutes of the worst possible nightmare.

[Waldszenen]

Cziffra's Transcription of Rimsky Korsakov's Flight of the Bumblebee.

[shasta]

All the Chopin-Godowsky etudes

*although Hamelin calls the LH-only version of Nouvelle No1 "accessible" to the rest of us mere mortals...   

[mephisto]

I think Everyali by Xenakis wins, hands down.

My recording( played by Takahasi) is 10 minutes and 8 seconds. And we all agree that that isn`t SO sort. It is actually quite long.

-The Mephisto

[llamaman]

For me? Minute Waltz, Solfeggietto, Elfe. My hands don't like moving Prestissimo.

[Bouter Boogie]

Prokofiev's Suggestion Diabolique is quite hard and short, eh?

[hodi]

One of thierry's first posts:

"Hi everybody,i'm 14 years old and i'm playing piano since one year,and i have a teacher since 2 months,and i'm playing : chopin etude 25.12 , 10.12 , nocturne(chopin),beethoven's pathetique, schubert serenade,schubert impromptu,tchaikovsky's concerto. Would the rachmaninoff prelude in g sharp minor or his concertos  (2,3) would be too difficult for me for the moment or am i improving enough fast for this. Thanks!"

Not only can he play all those after two months with a formal instructor, but now he can sightread any piece known to man. 10/2 is also easy for him. I wonder if he can fly too?

just one big LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can he fly too.. OMG this is so funny


actually, maybe he is a child prodigy?!?! don't underestimate him! (really!!!)

[etudes]

feux follet,transcendental no.2,no.12 all are quite short but high technical demanding
also rach prelude that mentioned before
alkan op.39 no.1 no.3 also freaking hard
schumann,prokofiev toccata also very hard
btw about learning piano
i also play about 2 years and about 8 months i started about 2003 so what is the problem of playing that kind of stuff??i play first 3 of chopin ballades also some stuff like la campanella , a few chopin etudes even learning islamey (but the last one is not up to speed yet)

[pita bread]

Xenakis Hommage a Ravel A.R.

[thierry13]

I agree with you.

He's just a poseur, who thinks he's as good as Volodos LOL.

He says Franck´s Prelude, Chorale and Fugue is not hard to play and he once told me that he could read Scriabin´s Impromtus at first sight.

I must confess, he helped me find one score i was looking for.

Give him a break he is an imnature boy.

Yes, i'm a 8 year old immature kid who want people over the internet i don't even know, and probably won't ever know, to think I can play the most difficult pieces of the repertoire after 1 year of lessons, because they will think I'm good and I will be SO better, and SO much more self-confident. I think that Islamey and bowen's toccata are easy and I REALLY think I could play any piece at sight-read, same evryali ... a pure walk in the park! Simple as that. Heard what you wanted to ear ? I hope, because that was ironic.

[thierry13]

feux follet,transcendental no.2,no.12 all are quite short but high technical demanding
also rach prelude that mentioned before
alkan op.39 no.1 no.3 also freaking hard
schumann,prokofiev toccata also very hard
btw about learning piano
i also play about 2 years and about 8 months i started about 2003 so what is the problem of playing that kind of stuff??i play first 3 of chopin ballades also some stuff like la campanella , a few chopin etudes even learning islamey (but the last one is not up to speed yet)

He can say that and not me ? what ? ... you all have a problem, and i call it jealousy.

[pseudopianist]

Thierry, give us a chance to hack on him. We have other things to do also.


Sorabji Cadenza from his Toccata No 1 is around 3:30 min, that should be up with those pieces I think (Like all of his shorter pieces)

[hodi]

Yes, i'm a 8 year old immature kid who want people over the internet i don't even know, and probably won't ever know, to think I can play the most difficult pieces of the repertoire after 1 year of lessons, because they will think I'm good and I will be SO better, and SO much more self-confident. I think that Islamey and bowen's toccata are easy and I REALLY think I could play any piece at sight-read, same evryali ... a pure walk in the park! Simple as that. Heard what you wanted to ear ? I hope, because that was ironic.

you are the most arrogant pianist(?) i have ever talked too.
u think your octaves are almost as good as cziffra's (after 1.5 years, interesting)

give me a break!

this forum is just full of immature,bullshitters kiddies who has nothing to do in life but tell everybody " i can play that and that i'm really advanced u know i'm really good"


we all know that you are good thierry! u don't have to tell us that 48547587458 times

look what theirry told me at the messenger:

8/19/2005  10:21:15 PM  Hodi  Thierry  next hamelin? [ i asked about himself]
8/19/2005  10:21:25 PM  Thierry  Hodi  probably

[thierry13]

8/19/2005  10:21:15 PM  Hodi  Thierry  next hamelin? [ i asked about himself]
8/19/2005  10:21:25 PM  Thierry  Hodi  probably

You asked for it. All i did is answer your question. Call that bragging ? I don't...

[maul]

I think you're dillusional.

[thierry13]

I think you're dillusional.

I am! I told you I was a 8 year old kid !

[maul]

I wouldn't doubt it for a second.

[thierry13]

See, proof 

[lisztwasgod]

probably the most rewarding preludes outside of the transcendental preludes ofliszt would be the op 23 set by rachmaninoff...pretty much everyone has heard numbers 4 and 5...but number two is very VERY VEEERRRYYY difficult...perhaps one of the most difficult short pieces ever written...it is not known as widely because it as not as accesible as the others...but if you want to awe and amaze...number two is unbeatable

[thierry13]

probably the most rewarding preludes outside of the transcendental preludes ofliszt would be the op 23 set by rachmaninoff...pretty much everyone has heard numbers 4 and 5...but number two is very VERY VEEERRRYYY difficult...perhaps one of the most difficult short pieces ever written...it is not known as widely because it as not as accesible as the others...but if you want to awe and amaze...number two is unbeatable

It is not THAT difficult. It is a hard piece... but there are many more short pieces that are way harder. Just op.23 no.9 is allready harder ( and shorter too i think).

[lisztwasgod]

having played both, id have to disagree...number five is harder than nine; two is hard because speed is a factor...played tooslow and the piece seems to linger on forever...hitting those arpeggios...the chord filigree at the end...easily a wonderful showpiece...and when played well only a good three minutes (it is much more rewarding to the ear and player than nine in other words)

[lisztwasgod]

plus, it was only a suggestion...the technicality and musicality required for the piece are wonderful for building repertire and even to the trained ear one must truly recognize the shear viruosity implicitly required in the piece...but for other short hard pieces, check out all of the transcendental etudes for piano by liszt and the paganini etudes by him as well...also, islamey! its ONLY 7 minutes when played the way balakirev imagined it and it takes alot of practice to get polished (in my opinion though it is very easy to learn the notes because of the keuy patterns and i had the luck of learning don juan before it, so the passages with ascending and descending chromatic minor thirds were no big deal, which is usually the hardest aprt for beginners)

[opus10no2]

The 10-2 is considered hard ? I only heard it has one of the easiest etudes? mmm that sounds like a poll 

Haha,

ic 

[sevencircles]

Hamelin´s triple etude based on Chopin is the hardest tonal and very short piece I know of.

[soliloquy]

Finnissy Hikkai: <5'

[elevateme_returns]

Hamelin´s triple etude based on Chopin is the hardest tonal and very short piece I know of.

[dnephi]

Haha what about da MAZTAH et for 8 pianos, 13 hands which contrapuntally combineth all 12 pimpetz and 7 Ligets at DA ZAME TIME?