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relatively easy to actually learn, probably the most difficult of all to master.getting it up to tempo is very difficult.the reason why some may think it isnt difficult is maybe because they havent played it, perhaps they would say 'ohhh that was really slow! ive heard that bumblebee song play waayyy faster than that!'
those who think it's an easier etude, please come forward
I do. Probably because I developed my 4-5 fingers with La campanella.
According to Chrysalis you will be recording your Mazeppa this week? Or was it next?
not even close. the 4-5 technique in la campanella is extremely pianistic, comfortable and causes no strain what so ever. a gifted professional could sighttread this up to or above tempo. to think you can play 10/2 with the technique learnt in la campanella is laughable. the only ones who would reach this conclusion are those who got the first one and a half bars up to tempo and then decided 10/2 is in fact too easy for them
mmm i just heard someone mention it has a SO HARD piece, but heard several people think it is an easier etude, so well what is it for you?
I've seen the sheets to the triple and it looks crazy. out of my league
Do we agree that to play this piece, you must be able to play chromatic scales with your 4-5/3-4-5 fingers cleanly and speedy. And then you have to separate the 1-2 fingers to play chords. So, if your fingers are independent, and that you can play a chromatic scale with your 4-5 fingers,
this etude is not hard.
Should it be assumed that the one necessarily presumes the other? To be more specific, is it "crazy", "out of your league" or both? And even if the latter, would that necessarily signify that it's out of everyone else's league? I admit that it's not within the scope of a good many pianists, but since it has been written by a pianist, I would still welcome some thoughts on it in the specific context of this particular thread. Anyway, if you think as you do about that triple, I shudder to imagine what your view may be of the piece reconstructed in response to it which likewise (though very differently) treats all these three Chopin études concurrently (but then you have probably not seen that one, so maybe I shouldn't ask...)Best,Alistair
While not perhaps strictly on-topic, perhaps someone might like to consider or comment on the particular technical difficulties encountered in Marc-André Hamelin's Triple Étude after Chopin in which the Chopin étude under discussion here is combined with the same composer's other two études in the same key...Alistair Hinton
Oh yeah, when I wrote about time to devote to this etude, I meant that all of these were just to start with. V. Ovchiinikov's finger independance is as good as it can possibly get (anyway, he won both Tchaikowsky and Leeds competitions), so KEEPING THAT IN MIND, it took him 5 years to master the piece. If you don't have afore mentioned independance and ability to separate the 1-2 fingers to start with, it might take muuuuuch longer, if ever. In a sense you are right. It is not that hard. It is just... painful, time-consuming, and needs a lot of patience. But wait a second... you are asking a question and then answer it yourself... I am confused...
what? First, that was not a personal question, I allready know for me this is not an harder etude. I only wanted to see who considered it an easier/harder etude. And I never said that etude wasn't hard. Why do you think I chose to write "easier" and "harder" insteed of "easy" and "hard". It was a difficulty relative to the other etudes. Some people think the thirds etude is an easier one, and some think it is the hardest, and they do not get pissed for that. Give me a break.
IIRC, Mei-Ting once mentioned here that he did not have much struggle in this etude. But on the other hand, he is a completely different story. In fact he is the only person I ever heard saying that (before you). And of course, if you really can play it well that easily, it means that you are really very good and get all my respect.
Happy to see I'm not the only one.
alistair hinton, scottish composer and curator of the sorabji archive?i remember your name being mentioned in the book 'the composer pianists - hamelin and the eight'interestingly enough, i ordered hamelin's sheet music from the sorabji archive, and i find his compositions really amazing.
I heard Mei-Ting's Feux Follets, and for me it is enough to believe that the 10/2 would be quite easy for him. Any chance for your recording of 10/2? Or at least ANY of your recordings, if you never recorded that one? It is always a great pleasure to listen to someone for whom 10/2 does not seem too hard.
You need to read what was said earlier
Guilty as charged. And, while being so, I may as well confess to the fact that the "other" piece based on those three A minor Chopin études was originally entitled Les Trois Chopins and was composed in 1977, discarded soon afterwards and then reconstructed from memory in 1992 under the new title Étude en forme de Chopin as a response to Marc-André Hamelin's Triple Étude; it is accordingly - and perhaps appropriately - dedicated to three people - Marc, André and Hamelin (e trebus unus)...Best,Alistair
haha, you mean you composed that piece yourself?is it more difficult than hamelin's piece? and i suppose hamelin has played it, what did he say about it? what are the differences between the two pieces based on the same material?another funny thing i noticed in one of hamelin's compositions is in the tico-taco no fuba(i think thats spelled right)...he makes 2 completely random hilarious quotations of 2 other pieces(there may be more but i havent noticed them yet!)1 is a brief fleeting quotation of fur elise(id imagine some of the audience would find it hard to control their laughter at this point) and then out of nowhere comes the previously mentioned chopin op10no2 theme for a little while in the right hand, while the left hand continues with the latin rhythms of the tico taco piece.
It also helps that he learned the etudes when he was all of 9-10 years old.koji
On another note, I like Yundi Li's version:https://www.bantamboards.com/YundiLi_10-2.mp3
It's pretty cool. Interesting how he brings out the LH chords, uncommon but quite effective. Thank you much for the link.Check out Lisitsa's ; exactly the same duration but she sounds faster and more "vertiginous" by using a lighter touch. Maybe a little bit too much blurred with pedal anyway.https://www.valentinalisitsa.com/ChopinMP3/02.mp3
she is around 3 seconds faster, actually. but technically her execution is not on the same level as yundi li. that yundi li recording stands up to microscopic scrutiny in terms of sheer evenness. in fact i havent heard anything quite like this before, the semi-staccato touch. you can tell he's using a very brute force technique relying almost exclusively on finger strength.
https://www.msk.tsi.ru/~ruden/Rudenko1MP3.wavEND OF DISCUSSION
Oh, really? Do I need? Do you really believe I will spend my precious time again, re-reading all this crap about "developing 4-5 fingers with La Campanella" and then from sightreading deciding that Chopin op.10 no.2 is an "easier" etude? Give me a break.As I've already said, master it, record it live, and then we will talk...
i'm forward.I learned half of it, and stopped for other music.But I remember that I learned that half of the piece up to tempo pretty quickly.I just don't think it's as hard as some of the other etudes, of course, I haven't tackled any of the "easy" ones.I am comparing it with op 10 no 1, the Ocean Etude, Winterwind, Aeolian harp, Waltz, Revolutionary, Thirds (op 25 no 6), and a few more.