who is the female pianist with the best technique?

[al]

It is in the same part of the brain. This part is like all what's math and science related. The scientifical part of music, is analised by this part of the mind. And how you play what your brain as analised, is reffered by your emotional brain-side.

Knowing how to play a certain phrase to convey a certain emotion is a skill, learned over time and based on knowledge and experience (i.e. you will associate a certain style of playing with the 'sad' emotion by listening to music).  If you played a piece of music to someone who had no predefined concepts of a 'sad' or 'happy' melody, they would not be able to tell you what emotion the piece conveyed.

how you play what your brain as analised, is reffered by your emotional brain-side.

Therefore, this statement is wrong - how you convey emotion in the music has little to do with actual 'emotional' parts of the brain and much more to do with memory etc.

And while there are some differences between male and female brains, they are not as you described.  There is a theory that men are better analysts and women are better empathisers (note: this means better at reading other peoples' emotions, not being more affected by their own emotions).  However, the 'analytical' parts of the brain are totally different to the 'technical' parts of the brain (e.g motor and premotor areas).  Also, someone mentioned (correctly) above that technique is dependant on memory, which appears to be the same in both sexes.

(This is pretty much all out of my biology reference textbook, so I'm about 99% sure it's correct)

[piazzo23]

Yeap, you couldn´t explain it better.

[leahcim]

There is a theory that men are better analysts

Ah! Analysts that what's he meant.

I wondered why you were all arguing with someone who appeared to be saying men were better at talking out their a#@$

[sklebil]

'females need to practice longer and harder to get the same level of technique, due to their smaller brain'

OK I guess people with Down syndrome must learn superfast then. How comes so few of them are concert pianists...

[rimv2]

"you are a woman... with a tiny a brain"

"a third the size of ours"

"it's science"

AHAHAHAHAH

just kidding

Pianistic ability can be compared with female ability in all areas of atheletics. While a female can remain on par with a male on the artistic level, it is difficult, if possible, to keep up on a physical level. Just look at many female sporting events. While the level of skill appears to be identical, the level of physical ....lets say involvement for lack a better term... seems be less than that of the male. For example, female basketball players use smaller balls and track and field players use smaller shots and disks. Therefore if a female pianist were to encounter a piano specifically sized to here physicallity, hamlin like playing would probably be achieved and possibly surpassed.

But that would be a luxury for only the richest of women as custom pianos cost $$$$$

As for the greatest techical female pianist...

Argerich is great.

But Lisitsa has her beat any day.

[brewtality]

hamlin [sic] like playing would probably be achieved and possibly surpassed.

Unlikely.

[rimv2]

Unlikely.

true

[randmc]

Idil Beret

[musicsdarkangel]

who's the best female pianist?  alicia delarrochia, imo.

I totallya gree.  Alicia is a MUSICIAN, something that's hard to find these days.

[stevie]

I totallya gree.  Alicia is a MUSICIAN, something that's hard to find these days.

BS, what does that mean?

[pianowelsh]

What an insane question. How can we measure technique - which a yard stick maybe?! Every pianist who we'll every have heard of will have stunning technique - its a requisite to the profession these days. There are different kinds of technique of course Marta has been mentioned and she of course has a very fiery brand of technical virtuosity. Alica is a miracle worker with such small hands. Angela Hewitt can sit and play hour upon hour of Bach - which is some of the most exacting repertoire on the planet. Historically there are many fabulous female virtuosos from Spain (of the romantic era) Today Portugal have the technical wizardry of people like MJ Pires who is a genius - can communicate anything she wants! There is of course Clara Schumann who had a formidable technique and was known as one of the greatest interpreters of her time (which takes integrated technical control) There is Clara Haskil of course stunning in the classical repertoire  (nowhere to hide) Marguerite Long who had such a fantasic tonal command. The list goes on and on.  There may be fewer women at the top - but it has to be said those who get there are quality - definately the equal of the best men.

[rimv2]

Sorry to disappoint, but that just not true .

Maybe.

Liszt females that can play the godowsky-chopin etudes and a stern mind might be swayed.

[mrchops10]

So unless someone can play a Chopin-Godowsky etude, they're a bad pianist? That's pretty sad. Your mind isn't stern, it's limited and unimaginative. (Sry, that was mean, but think of all the great pianists you're insulting)

[jhon]

Cecile Licad

[Jacey1973]

When i go and see a piano recital it is nearly always a male pianist...

...But I think females can be just as good at playing the piano. They are perhaps just less competitive - although i am very competitive and in my final year at University i felt i had to work twice as hard as not only was i up against a number of very good pianists - but a number of very good male pianists. Like i felt a bit out numbered i guess.

This reminds me of 2 seperate performances of Tchaikovsky's 1st piano concerto (a very physical, heavy concerto in places as you know) i saw in the last 2 years - where one pianist was female and the other male.

I really didn't enjoy the male's performance - it was weak, not passionate/strong enough (accompanied by quite a small orchestra which didn't really help - although technically it should have been easier for him to make a bigger sound above them), whereas the female's (although she was a tiny, little girl - very thin etc) was sooo much stronger. She produced a huge sound above a much larger orchestra (the London Symphony Orchestra - who were fantastic) - i noticed she really used her upper arms/whole body, it was quite inspiring.

[stevie]

So unless someone can play a Chopin-Godowsky etude, they're a bad pianist? That's pretty sad. Your mind isn't stern, it's limited and unimaginative. (Sry, that was mean, but think of all the great pianists you're insulting)

no, but notice that no females have entered this new arena of UBERVIRTUOSITY

yes there are female virtuosos, but no female UBERVIRTUOSOS

by this i mean both the difficulty of the music they play and the physical demands of the music, i have NEVER witnessed any female with a technique comparable to hamelin, libetta etc.

[thierry13]

no, but notice that no females have entered this new arena of UBERVIRTUOSITY

yes there are female virtuosos, but no female UBERVIRTUOSOS

by this i mean both the difficulty of the music they play and the physical demands of the music, i have NEVER witnessed any female with a technique comparable to hamelin, libetta etc.

Completly true.

[tocca]

Hmmm, what a topic...
I think Jenni R is on the right track: "They are perhaps just less competitive".

Men are more competitive in average i believe.

I competed in Athletics when i was younger (on an amatuer level) and i remember one particular 1500m race i watched. Men and women ran in the same race, though they didn't compete against eachother, just a timesaver.
There was one girl named Anne who was really good, on the edge of going proffesional, and she and the best guy took turns leading.
The guy won with a couple of tenths in the end. After the race, he first threw up then he fainted and they had to call an ambulance!
He had been so pressed by the thought of loosing to a girl that he had pressed himself way past his limits.

I'm not saying that it's the same thing with Piano, but i think this "obsessiveness" of being best might be part of the reason that we see more men with "ubertechnique" as someone said.
Now if Piano was a sports where you got price for playing the fastest  that would be all and well, but it isn't and the answer to who's the best can never be anything but an opinion.

[stevie]

Now if Piano was a sports where you got price for playing the fastest  that would be all and well,

this is pretty much the biggest factor in assesing the greatness of a technique, so yes - no female can play as fast as some males.

[mrchops10]

no, but notice that no females have entered this new arena of UBERVIRTUOSITY

yes there are female virtuosos, but no female UBERVIRTUOSOS

by this i mean both the difficulty of the music they play and the physical demands of the music, i have NEVER witnessed any female with a technique comparable to hamelin, libetta etc.

A couple of years ago I turned on the radio, heard one 2-second passage, and said immediately "That's Argerich playing Chopin." I was right. Her fingers were so remarkably even, such strength and poise in that one passage, it was impossible to mistake for anyone else. This idea of "ubervirtuosity" is a sad reflection of the whole "grade" idea I see all the time in the Student's Corner, this nonsense that technical/musical difficulty fits into a rigid spectrum. The key to a great technique is not what reportoire you play but how well you've played it. I've mentioned elsewhere on this forum that Glenn Gould ought to be considered in any serious discussions of great techniques. Martha Argerich is distinguished no matter what reportoire she plays; excellence, both musical and technical, always speaks loud and clear.

[stevie]

i agree with you, but in direct comparisons - ie - the chopin 10/4 and others, she falls flat of a few people (well...notably richter and barere).

its not just speed, its the clarity and confort AT tghat speed, and argerich shows a little bit of a struggle in the left hand in places.

also her famous 28/16 is far from the best technically...

[pianowelsh]

Technique has very little to do with the physical frame so the idea that females are somehow less capable by design is outdated antiquated and frankly wrong. Technique is essentially a mental skill and a way off approaching the technical and musical difficulties in a work. There are many female pianists who play all the transcendentals anll the Chopin and Scriabin studies and yes even the Chopin-Godowsky studies _ which are being regularly hacked off by students these days and are not 'the' paramount they are often held up to be. We mast get away from this idea that to play fast is 'technique' many and excellent pianist has come to ruin by adopting this philosophy. I dont know about the women pianists you know but certainly the ones i know are by no means less competetive than the men.

[bardolph]

Here's some food for thought: First, females have smaller hands than males, so a reasonable comparison could only be made if smaller-keyboard pianos were widely available.

Second, the distribution of IQ is different for men and women. While the two sexes are almost exactly equal in average intelligence, male IQ is more broadly distributed than female IQ. In other words, at either end of the IQ spectrum -- genius and moron -- there are more males than females. Few female morons, few female geniuses. At the very highest reaches of intelligence -- we're talking scores of 180 and above -- there are almost no females. That's why there are so few female nobel prize winners in the hard sciences.

So it stands to reason that the greatest musicians of all time will continue to be mostly male, as has always been the case.

[rimv2]

So unless someone can play a Chopin-Godowsky etude, they're a bad pianist? That's pretty sad. Your mind isn't stern, it's limited and unimaginative.

A misinterpretation on this level seemed only possible by a woman. I now stand corrected - unless you be one . Ah said liszt a female who can play the godowsky chopin etudes. I said not that one was a bad pianist for not being able to play them as there would be only a few good pianist in the world. However, I will say that any woman who can play them will have earned mah utmost respect

Still waiting though

and as for mah mind, mah art and music speaks volumes, but mah idealism and romantic yearnings would make even the most understanding sick their stomachs.

(Sry, that was mean, but think of all the great pianists you're insulting)

They're women, they'll get over it. Or possibly wack me in my sleep. Thats when they like to strike.

*checks doors and windows*

*locks doors and windows*

*curls up in a corner on the bed*

[dmk]

this is pretty much the biggest factor in assesing the greatness of a technique, so yes - no female can play as fast as some males.

Stevie,

If you really mean this then take a look at this and think that Hamelin is the only on who can play Alkan well follow this link

(If you don't want to read the whole thing type McCallum into the search function)

https://www.alkansociety.org/HTMLobj-213/bul46.PDF

Plays the Alkan Concerto as fast as Hamelin....

food for thought?

cheers

dmk

[rimv2]

Here's some food for thought: First, females have smaller hands than males, so a reasonable comparison could only be made if smaller-keyboard pianos were widely available.

Repetition yields solidification

[pianistimo]

where's the gentleman who has offerred us a slightly smaller piano keyboard?  yet, we do not complain.  have you ever heard a woman complain?  (this keyboard is too large, too stiff, too whatever?)

women, imo, would make better drill sargeants because we're used to repetition.  it doesn't bother us.  sometimes we become immune to the difficulties that we face, because of not complaining and thinking that 'if men can do it, we can do it (or at least try).'  and even if we can't do it as fast, as good, have as many women as men in the field, it's given men something to complain about. 

also, for rimv2, what woman is going to waste her time trying to do you in or do anything to you?  women are too smart for that kind of revenge.  they probably would reason that time spent practicing on the piano is better.  you know - point A to point B.  then, when you wake up from sleeping, they're like 3 hours ahead of you.  (even if they sleep in later).

[rimv2]

also, for rimv2, what woman is going to waste her time trying to do you in or do anything to you?  women are too smart for that kind of revenge.  they probably would reason that time spent practicing on the piano is better.  you know - point A to point B.  then, when you wake up from sleeping, they're like 3 hours ahead of you.  (even if they sleep in later).

Ah only said possibly

Not all women is as semi-sane as you.

[chromatickler]

A misinterpretation on this level seemed only possible by a woman. I now stand corrected - unless you be one . Ah said liszt a female who can play the godowsky chopin etudes. I said not that one was a bad pianist for not being able to play them as there would be only a few good pianist in the world. However, I will say that any woman who can play them will have earned mah utmost respect

Still waiting though

Joyce Hatto has been playing the chopin godowsky etudes since she was 13. she recorded the complete set earlier this year on the concertartist label, at the age of 75. i have a few tracks from this recording and guess what, she is faster than hamelin in many of them (including the 10/2 for lefthand alone and the 10/5 tarantella). instead of waiting, your time would have been better spent doing some research.

and no, there are in fact, MUCH MUCH MORE than "a few" pianists in the world capable of playing chopin godowsky studies. ANYONE capable of performing the hardest ones from the original set is capable of playing at least half the godowskies.

Moreover, to measure technique on the basis of whether one has played such and such a piece is plain idiotic. any half assed player on this board could mess around with a godowsky etude, post a recording, suddenly they'd have better technique than argerich? what a joke

[thierry13]

I beleive females have smaller hands .
But the way, how can you explain why there are so many females piano teacher around?

This fact is linked to another fact. There are much more male performers than female performers.

So, you ask why there are so many female piano teacher around? Because they can't be performers 

[m1469]

So, you ask why there are so many female piano teacher around? Because they can't be performers 

Well, I have to admit that I have much satisfaction in having early on predicted this comment of yours.  Have a look here :

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,12275.msg130386.html#msg130386


I will also compliment you on your excellent timing in having waited this long to deliver your superb message, I am definitely much more furious now.


m1469

[arensky]

This fact is linked to another fact. There are much more male performers than female performers.

So, you ask why there are so many female piano teacher around? Because they can't be performers 

Dude...there are as many female pianists as male pianists, probably more because there are more women in the world than men. Your assertion that teachers cannot perform is idiotic. In fact nowadays it is almost immpossible to have an exclusively performing piano career, unless you are Richard Clayderman  or Yanni and play **** like that. Soon Hamelin and Berezovsky will be teaching somewhere if they aren't already.

And you will be running for your life, because m1469 is angry and she has sharp teeth and bites...

 
                                                                                                          

[crazy for ivan moravec]

i think that the only disadvantage is if a woman has small hands.

other than that, a perfectly nurtured brain for piano playing will do the trick. Martha argerich tackles those difficult passages with ease by using her brain, making the physical body respond to what the brain wants to do. i think she's heavy enough to make a powerful sound like any other pianist could, like Cziffra, for example. (he may have never used his whole body weight, he could have been to heavy already for)

we don't need big muscles for piano playing anyway. big muscles is for striking something really hard (even though, say, u have a small physique). we don't wanna strike the piano! we just wanna drop our weight, treat weight scientifically and phrase with it (with our intention of a kind of phrasing, of course).

maybe, for some there is still an issue with women playing because up until now, a lot think there are only a few famous women pianists compared to men. but that's the thing of the past, and it's the past pianists that we adore so much that we think women are in no place (because in fact, men really used to rule society in the past, nothing we can do about it). the world is changing and i have seen a lot of women pianists who play basically as powerfully technically great and musical too. give it a few more years.

[thierry13]

Dude...there are as many female pianists as male pianists, probably more because there are more women in the world than men. Your assertion that teachers cannot perform is idiotic. In fact nowadays it is almost immpossible to have an exclusively performing piano career, unless you are Richard Clayderman  or Yanni and play **** like that. Soon Hamelin and Berezovsky will be teaching somewhere if they aren't already.

And you will be running for your life, because m1469 is angry and she has sharp teeth and bites...

 
                                                                                                          

First, maybe I'm weird but I know many many more mens than women ONLY performers. You only backed me up by stating it is very very hard to make a living JUST by performing, and that's why I meant teachers teach because they can't make a living just performing. You understood me a bit wrong since you said basically the same thing than me.

[arensky]

First, maybe I'm weird but I know many many more mens than women ONLY performers. You only backed me up by stating it is very very hard to make a living JUST by performing, and that's why I meant teachers teach because they can't make a living just performing. You understood me a bit wrong since you said basically the same thing than me.

I am not backing you up, and you are weird!  What you are saying is that women pianists are inferior to male pianists, which is bull****. Oh and would you tell your teacher what you wrote here? I think not. If we are misunderstanding you need to improve your use of the language...

[thierry13]

I am not backing you up, and you are weird!  What you are saying is that women pianists are inferior to male pianists, which is bull****. Oh and would you tell your teacher what you wrote here? I think not. If we are misunderstanding you need to improve your use of the language...

Someone said how do you explain there are so much female teachers ( pointing out that females were better). I pointed out that IF the fact there was so much female teachers prooves something, it is that they are less good. Remember well the "if".

[m1469]

Someone said how do you explain there are so much female teachers ( pointing out that females were better). I pointed out that IF the fact there was so much female teachers prooves something, it is that they are less good. Remember well the "if".

First of all, I am most mad at myself for even responding in this stupid thread still.  That in itself is P***** me off.  But secondly, what makes me mad, thierry, is that I don't think you even believe the things you are saying.  I think you are belligerently representing some ignorant thought-model out there and  I think you are just saying these things because you have some hidden agenda.  Thirdly, yoshiki was not saying whether female pianists or teachers are better or worse, s/he indicated nothing of the sort.  If anything, s/he perfectly set up the opportunity for you to say what you said (a month later).  Which is why I had stepped in when I did, to try to de-rail the train (so you waited).

Anyway, what exactly is your point here ?  What are you trying to prove and what are you actually proving ?  How is this conversation helping you or anyone ?

[arensky]

First of all, I am most mad at myself for even responding in this stupid thread still.  That in itself is P***** me off.  But secondly, what makes me mad, thierry, is that I don't think you even believe the things you are saying.  I think you are belligerently representing some ignorant thought-model out there and  I think you are just saying these things because you have some hidden agenda.  Thirdly, yoshiki was not saying whether female pianists or teachers are better or worse, s/he indicated nothing of the sort.  If anything, s/he perfectly set up the opportunity for you to say what you said (a month later).  Which is why I had stepped in when I did, to try to de-rail the train (so you waited).

Anyway, what exactly is your point here ?  What are you trying to prove and what are you actually proving ?  How is this conversation helping you or anyone ?

He has no hidden agenda, he is in the 9th grade or so. I am angry too, this is a stupid unconstructive waste of time. But mrchops has told the truth.

[m1469]

He has no hidden agenda, he is in the 9th grade or so. I am angry too, this is a stupid unconstructive waste of time. But mrchops has told the truth.

Okay.  I went back and read mrchops.

A couple of years ago I turned on the radio, heard one 2-second passage, and said immediately "That's Argerich playing Chopin." I was right. Her fingers were so remarkably even, such strength and poise in that one passage, it was impossible to mistake for anyone else. This idea of "ubervirtuosity" is a sad reflection of the whole "grade" idea I see all the time in the Student's Corner, this nonsense that technical/musical difficulty fits into a rigid spectrum. The key to a great technique is not what reportoire you play but how well you've played it. I've mentioned elsewhere on this forum that Glenn Gould ought to be considered in any serious discussions of great techniques. Martha Argerich is distinguished no matter what reportoire she plays; excellence, both musical and technical, always speaks loud and clear.

This is actually really wonderful.  And, I further realize now that I have been taking all of the things that I feel are ridiculous about this thread, focusing on them and letting them bother me.  I have almost been ignoring all of the things that people have said which are true and helpful because I would just hold my breath while I read.    I guess that's a life lesson.

I feel bad that I called the thread stupid.  Maybe it's not, afterall.  I don't agree with the negative, but I do appreciate the positive.  I will admit a thing though, I truly wonder which side the of this "argument" the world favours these days ?  I suppose, whatever the favour of the world, what good does it do me to concern over it ?  I am still just me, and I will still just be me playing the piano, no more, no less.



m1469

[opus10no2]

A young woman by the name of Claire Huangci (whom I delicately deflowered recently) has made me reconsider my opinions on this matter.

[steve jones]

off the top of my head there are a few that stick out

rebecca penneys - for her chopin etudes
valentina lisitsa - for her random videos
martha argerich - for many things, espcially liszt sonata, funerailles, etc

I must admit, I have mixed feelings about Argerich and Lisitsa. While they do both have phenomenal techniques (imo), they also seem prone to abusing the privilege! I really didnt like Argerich's 'Funerailles' at all. Her Chopin preludes (in concert) seemed to be so quick and bashful!

Thats not what a great technique is for. Its kind of like having a Ferrari to thrape around in a put into a lamp post!

SJ

[m]

A young woman by the name of Claire Huangci (whom I delicately deflowered recently)...

Well opus10no2,
Men with dignity don't publically name names in such delicate matters. It is just so low...

[nocturnelover]

What the hell has size of the brain got to do with it??? Or having two different sides to me playing comes from the soul not the brain. Since there is an obvious handicap which I feel is unecessary comes down hand size. Women do generally have smaller hands but why should they be disadvantaged by it. There is a new piano that is made to suit the hands of the player rather than one size fits all. Piano started in a time when males dominated society particularly in the arts. I have heard plenty of female pianists that have equal technique to males that I have heard. Strength, I don't think that if your able to pummel out a FFFFFFF x 1000 that makes you a better pianist, once again though I have heard plenty of female pianists that have obtained what I feel to be a great strength coupled with emotion and technical ability. It's the training, maybe females have to try harder but as usual men have the advantage of larger hands and strength whereas woman (as they do usually have smaller more nimble hands) are also at an advantage. It all depends on what your outlook is.
And what I read earlier about men being more obsessive about piano that's just BULL I'm totally completely obsessed. I think males are too, there's no difference in that respect. Anyway I hate comparisons of women against men it annoys me.

[opus10no2]

Well opus10no2,
Men with dignity don't publically name names in such delicate matters. It is just so low...

She didn't seem to apply the same 'dignity' you'd require when she was boldly crying my name out in extasy through the window, during the act.

What the hell has size of the brain got to do with it??? Or having two different sides to me playing comes from the soul not the brain. Since there is an obvious handicap which I feel is unecessary comes down hand size. Women do generally have smaller hands but why should they be disadvantaged by it. There is a new piano that is made to suit the hands of the player rather than one size fits all. Piano started in a time when males dominated society particularly in the arts. I have heard plenty of female pianists that have equal technique to males that I have heard. Strength, I don't think that if your able to pummel out a FFFFFFF x 1000 that makes you a better pianist, once again though I have heard plenty of female pianists that have obtained what I feel to be a great strength coupled with emotion and technical ability. It's the training, maybe females have to try harder but as usual men have the advantage of larger hands and strength whereas woman (as they do usually have smaller more nimble hands) are also at an advantage. It all depends on what your outlook is.
And what I read earlier about men being more obsessive about piano that's just BULL I'm totally completely obsessed. I think males are too, there's no difference in that respect. Anyway I hate comparisons of women against men it annoys me.

There are exceptions, but on the whole - females ARE less single minded and competitive, and therefore end up being happier with an average level of technical ability for a concert pianist.

I wonder what the biological difference between the functioning of males and females have on pianistic potential.
Basically, on average, a larger part of the females body is designed for reproductive functioning than males.
The breasts and hip size of females are there for reproductive functionality, so their bodies are, in most all sports, a slight handicap of sorts, and this is why there are always seperate competitions and events for males and females, for the differing standards.
Only the penis and testicles of the male are made for reproductive function, and apart from this, the shape of the male body is designed for everyday functionality, and athletic prowess.
Now, when it comes to the piano, I don't think anything but the lower strength, and testosterone are physical factors which effect females in this way.

Intelligence and the brain element is negligible, I only think the main difference is competitiveness and intensity of intent is more common in males.
Females are a bit less driven on average, but I think they have virtually equal brain potential.

[soliloquy]

Aki Takahashi

She plays some super-difficult stuff like Xenakis, Scelsi etc.



Randomly my FAV chick pianist is Joyce Yang.

[pianistimo]

i will post the op 10 #4 at the end of the week.  that will shut up opus10no2.  then, i expect him to post a bunch of really fast pieces.

ps i don't consider speed important.  i mean - it's a nice feature.  like if you are buying a car and it happens to have heated seats. 

have you ever been to a recital and been ONLY impressed with speed.  over interpretation?  sometimes i want to barf when i hear the harmonies disintegrate into an 'indy 500.'

ps i'm all for smaller keyboards for specific hand sizes.  i think this is the best idea yet!  chopin is still my nemesis in some of the large chords.  also, rachmaninov.  i think - if only i didn't have to roll them.  sometimes, if you roll fast enough - it sounds like you played them all together.

pss agreed that women are not as competitive, either, for the most part.  i feel that i am sort of unusual - because i don't  like to lose.  in fact, losing makes me want to win the next time.  i have to sort of check myself - because it's not that i want to prove myself better than men or anything.  just that i don't like to lose.  dexterity is a higher developed skill in women - earlier in age.  so we will always have a few years ( acouple?) ahead of guys.  but they catch up in seventh grade or so. 

i don't consider competition really 'my thing.'  it's just - if someone challenges me by saying 'you can't play fast' - i'll blow them away.

[opus10no2]

You're funny

[m]

She didn't seem to apply the same 'dignity' you'd require when she was boldly crying my name out in extasy through the window, during the act.

Well,

As always, you did not understand. I did not talk about her, I talked about you.

[chromatickler]

Joyce Hatto has been playing the chopin godowsky etudes since she was 13. she recorded the complete set earlier this year on the concertartist label, at the age of 75. i have a few tracks from this recording and guess what, she is faster than hamelin in many of them (including the 10/2 for lefthand alone and the 10/5 tarantella). instead of waiting, your time would have been better spent doing some research.

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[jakev2.0]

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DA TICKLAH FEELZ DA ZHAME!!!!!

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Hahaha...zepp...for once you sum my feelings up perfectly on this one.

Un-f*CKCKCCING*believable!!!