so much tension...please help...

[casparma]

Above are the bars from one of Clementi's sontinas...

It's not too difficult for me, for the whole piece in overall, but the above bars give me a hard time...(only right hand)

first, you play the first chord on g clef with finger 2 and 4.

Well, it's not difficult if you play the above bars literally from the score, but if I change the half note 'd' into a quarter note and a half, then the rest of one of the bars, I usually play it wrong... can you picture the difficulty here? why on earth I can play this well literally from the pieace, but cant play well when I only change a little bit??


any idea??

please help

[casparma]

no help???

please notify me if my question is unclear...

thx

[abell88]

Well, it's not difficult if you play the above bars literally from the score, but if I change the half note 'd' into a quarter note and a half, then the rest of one of the bars, I usually play it wrong... can you picture the difficulty here?

Sorry, don't understand why you don't want to play literally from the score??

[steve jones]

Same here - Im not to sure what you're asking? The passage appears pretty straight forward, right?

[rimv2]

You cant play it that way because you must have already practiced it the other way too much.This happened to me recently while playing. I held my middle finger up unknowingly, which made playing easier but did hell to my forearm. When I began practicing with it down it seemed impossible to play

[casparma]

Ok.. put it simple...

I can play the score literally...

but I cant play it well if I change the half note 'd' into quarter note and a half....

[stringoverstrung]

first of all a warning:
i'm not an expert, just an amateur. What i tell you might be wrong (although it isn't wrong for me).

i derive from your posts that:
1) tension is a problem
2) a movement that is similar to one you master poses problems.

why does this pose problems?
because:
1) the required movement might after all not be as similar as it looks. The movements are without a doubt similar but if you learned the first one incorrectly they are not as close as they look.
2) the movement you know now is not absolutely "correct" (=optimal).

Therefore you must return to the basics and examine the following:
1) look for excess tension in the part you can already play:
* when i play what is written,
- does my hand feel relaxed? (feel right look right sound right principle)
- do i have the correct arch in my hand (example: arch of Argerich, Berezovsky, Libetta) and do my fingers feel as if they are dangling like puppets onto a string?
- is the back of my hand stable (and not tilting towards the pinky)
- are my tendons "in line"?
- pay attention the the rest of the body: shoulders breathing, toe all relaxed (consult the must read Fink Primary Movement 1)?

2) how to play the new (dotted semi-quaver) thing
- you could use rotation exertion towards your pinky to play the fast gf notes
if you don't know what rotation exertion is then have a look at:
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,12594.0.html
post from Bernhard

let's not misunderstand each other: the result is almost invisible: it feels like a little back and forth rotation but you don't even see it!
And there you go: these principles should eliminate problems in about 10 minutes at the most. If not the movement is still not right and you must keep looking for other ways. Of course your problem is that you already have a "wrong" (ie with too much tension) movement ingrained. This might cost you some time. Don't practice/repeat it until it looks right, feels right and most importantly sounds right!