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Offline andhow04

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scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
on: December 08, 2005, 03:49:15 AM
anybody have a good fingering for the double note Runs??? i thought i wuz doing ok until UM i heard Hamelins and I DUNNO HOW HE CAN PLAY IT THAT FAST. AND YES HE IS USING JUST ONE HAND NOT TWO HANDS. whats de fingering ?! !? ! :-\

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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #1 on: December 10, 2005, 05:18:45 PM
I finally figured one out (I don't play the piece) that I think will work for all of these recurring passages in the Eighth Sonata.  Here it is:

5-2  3-1  5-2  4-1  4-2  3-1  5-2  3-1  5-3  4-2  3-1

I tried several out and I think it to be the best.  I tried a fewl that included "thumb-sliding" and in those, some notes tended not to be together.  Maybe others have a superior "thumb-sliding" technique.  Any thoughts on the subject?

Walter Ramsey

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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #2 on: December 10, 2005, 05:37:33 PM
 Difficult, isn't it? ;D

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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #3 on: December 10, 2005, 06:57:55 PM
Difficult, isn't it? ;D

koji

It's hard but I think ultimately pianistic which is not always the case with Scriabin.  And all the transpositions don't really feel any different, which makes the problem even simpler.  But I wish those who practice it good luck!

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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #4 on: December 10, 2005, 07:12:28 PM
  Try playing it from memory, heh.

koji
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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #5 on: December 12, 2005, 01:04:14 AM
anybody have a good fingering for the double note Runs??? i thought i wuz doing ok until UM i heard Hamelins and I DUNNO HOW HE CAN PLAY IT THAT FAST. AND YES HE IS USING JUST ONE HAND NOT TWO HANDS. whats de fingering ?! !? ! :-\
I feel Ashkenazy's performance is better, though.

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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #6 on: December 12, 2005, 01:27:54 AM
  Sofronitsky's is supreme for me.

koji
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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #7 on: December 13, 2005, 03:46:31 AM
Koji,  would you mind letting us in on your fingering?  ;)
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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #8 on: December 13, 2005, 05:23:40 AM
I sure hope it doesn't involve Iron Thumb...

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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #9 on: December 14, 2005, 02:36:53 AM
I finally figured one out (I don't play the piece) that I think will work for all of these recurring passages in the Eighth Sonata.  Here it is:

5-2  3-1  5-2  4-1  4-2  3-1  5-2  3-1  5-3  4-2  3-1




I have an alternative to my fingering idea.  And just one thing to point out, that is that sometimes you have to be flexible whether you use 3 or 4 coming from 5.  It's not the same for every transposition.  An alternative would be:

5-2   3-1   5-2   4-1   4-2   3-1   5-2   3-1   5-2   4-1   5-2

but maybe you don't want to end the pattern on 5-2.
I would also play most of them with two hands instead of one.  Playing with one hand would give you practice for the part where the left hand can't help out, but why not just practice that part as it is, and not make more trouble for yourself by trying to figure out one hand for all the rest?

Walter Ramsey

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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #10 on: December 15, 2005, 06:08:06 AM
im likin dis fingering!!!!!! SEEMS to be workin ok. but but nobody can play it LIKE THE HAMELINMONSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :-*

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Re: scriabin- the EIGHTH Sonat'
Reply #11 on: December 15, 2005, 01:26:03 PM
  heh. 8)

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