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Offline pianohopper

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$4.40 for the 4'33"?
on: March 07, 2006, 10:26:38 PM
Hey guys -- sheetmusicplus.com is having their annual CF Peters sale, and look what I found up on their sight ----- the sheet music for:

https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?cart=33507409518148516&type=rec&item=1008430

the John Cage 4'33".... now, who would pay for the sheets to that?  I could sight read it.  Hell, I could play it by ear!

"Today's dog in the alley is tomorrow's moo goo gai pan."  ~ Chinese proverb

Offline crazy for ivan moravec

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #1 on: March 08, 2006, 01:09:21 AM
it's hilarious... but it is also something to ponder upon. wow.
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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #2 on: March 08, 2006, 01:55:33 AM
Haha, the anti-Sorabji.

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #3 on: March 08, 2006, 04:34:42 AM
It's copyrighted!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
..........whoops, I just broke the law! :o

Speaking of ridiculous prices for things - they want $40 for the Bartok sonata - 15 or so pages!
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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #4 on: March 08, 2006, 04:47:04 AM
Where do you buy from?

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #5 on: March 08, 2006, 04:58:41 AM
There's 2 main sheet music stores - that's AU$40.  For some reason, the edition is freeking expensive.
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Offline cosine

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #6 on: March 09, 2006, 07:47:03 AM
Awesome! Thanks for giving a heads up on the deal. I think I'll have to get that.













(I jest, I jest. Don't hurt yourself by jumping too quickly on a newbie to explain the piece.  ;D  I will say though that I learned this piece quicker than any other.  ;))

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #7 on: March 09, 2006, 09:30:32 AM
Mwahahaha, i am probably the best pianist in the world

I play this piece in 3'23"

and I learnt it in 4'00"

Offline debussy symbolism

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #8 on: March 09, 2006, 05:27:14 PM
Greetings.

This piece might be a prelude to the Vexations by Erik Satie. Perhaps some similar concepts.

Offline donjuan

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #9 on: March 10, 2006, 03:45:50 AM
the best part is the side panel that says

 "People who bought
John Cage: 4' 33"
also bought: (etc etc)"

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #10 on: March 10, 2006, 04:54:11 AM
It's copyrighted!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
My dear lord it is copyrighted! I did some googling and found that a fellow by the name of Mike Batt was sued for including a track of 1 minutes silence on a CD. Look at https://www.mfiles.co.uk/composers/Mike-Batt.htm and
https://www.brandnamebullies.com/excerpts.html

Batt said "My silence is original silence, not a quotation from his silence. Mine is a much better silent piece. I have been able to say in one minute what Cage could only say in four minutes and 33 seconds."

The case was settled outside of court and Batt donated a six figure sum to charity.

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #11 on: March 25, 2006, 02:35:54 AM
Which sounds dumb as many composers had little seconds of silence in their songs... so technically the composers should claim copyright....

Any of you looking for a laugh should also see this....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/arts/highlights/010911_cage.shtml

I declare John Cage an idiot... someone who shouldn't get a single cent for copyrighting silence.

Offline crazy for ivan moravec

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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #12 on: March 25, 2006, 07:18:18 PM
Any of you looking for a laugh should also see this....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/arts/highlights/010911_cage.shtml



ASLSP can't be performed that way. if they want, the first chord should be held for a year before playing the next chord, which requires another year to hold on  to that chord. or else there will be unwanted and really long rests in between chords/notes.

haha, just thought i'd comment on this.:)
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Re: $4.40 for the 4'33"?
Reply #13 on: March 25, 2006, 07:31:54 PM
ASLSP is being played right now, and the next 500 years or so. Lets hope the world ends before it finishes. What a total waste of an organ. I hope the people of Halberstadt claim back their organ before the world ends.

Yes, this just shows how stupid copyrighting is and like the article says, it is probably a stupid marketing stunt for both parties to get even more cash while doing nothing.

I don't know if John Cage is an idiot but he never did anything for music and he does have an idiotic quote about Schoenberg.

John Cage is a fake rebel, that's quite pretentious.
"As an artist you don't rake in a million marks without performing some sacrifice on the Altar of Art." -Franz Liszt
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