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Author Topic: Raindrop Prelude,please have a listen.  (Read 3245 times)
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« on: March 24, 2006, 02:27:28 AM »

My friends has been playing this for about 6 months now, and i asked him to record hiself playing it.

So please have a listen to the whole thing, and tell me what think of his playing.

Thanks,

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* prelude15.mp3 (1245.13 KB - downloaded 139 times.)
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piano sheet music of Prelude (Raindrop)
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2006, 05:49:47 AM »

It sounded very good.   Your method of recording can be improved I'm sure.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2006, 07:02:46 AM »

My friends has been playing this for about 6 months now,
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   Thanks for posting, well if your friend has been playing only for a few years then it is a great personal achievment and your friend should be very happy ( just a guess 6 months is a long time on this prelude). So basically it would not be fair to be too critical.

    Anyway it sounded a little robotic for me , every note was playd loud and clear and the first section was more like an attack on the electric piano , rather than a gentle dream like song. The idea is to creat a contrast between the first section with its dream like reflective character with the second section which your friend did very well by bringing out the more dramatic side to this prelude. I guess your friend might like to think about haw he can play those repeated note's gently.

      By the way am sure this will get a really high mark if playd for an examiner, if this prelude is learnt for the purpose of examination. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2006, 08:25:05 AM »

album: www.mfiles.co.uk

this piece is from this site...as you can hear its made on a computer.

http://www.mfiles.org.uk/downloads/prelude15.mp3

now why would you give us this  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2006, 12:04:41 PM »

No it isn't.... his father has his own studio, but he doesnt have a regular piano.

It was played on a synthesizer keyboard or sumthin like that ,that is why it sounds like that I was kind of unsure about posting it becuz of the way it sounds,like robotic almost.
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2006, 12:19:47 PM »

Dont argue on this one. The file you posted and the file from the webpage are EXACTLY the same files. Same length, same size and they sound exactly the same. I checked the ID tags and what do you know, they are the same. Made by some guy Jim Paterson.
Basically, your friend is messing with you.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2006, 08:01:50 PM »

Dont argue on this one. The file you posted and the file from the webpage are EXACTLY the same files. Same length, same size and they sound exactly the same. I checked the ID tags and what do you know, they are the same. Made by some guy Jim Paterson.
Basically, your friend is messing with you.


I went there, to the site, and you all are right.........some friend Cry...THAT LIAR......UGh That just disguits when sum1 would lie about piano,that as*hole......I mean i was kind of wondering why the piece is played clean and he had it only for about 6 months now.....F**king liar,man i am just pissed right now,thanks for telling me nicco.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2006, 09:00:51 PM »


Well, whomever it is playing, I think it sounds nice. Maybe a little more rubato wouldnt go a miss, and slightly slower?

But nice never the less. One more for my little of Chopin Preludes!

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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2006, 11:11:27 PM »

Well, whomever it is playing, I think it sounds nice. Maybe a little more rubato wouldnt go a miss, and slightly slower?

But nice never the less. One more for my little of Chopin Preludes!



Remember, pieces from this site are not performed by people but by a PC. It simply uses a program to play all the right notes.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2006, 12:24:56 AM »

Remember, pieces from this site are not performed by people but by a PC. It simply uses a program to play all the right notes.

Then why does it sound like an actual recording,sort of??
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2006, 05:36:17 AM »

Remember, pieces from this site are not performed by people but by a PC. It simply uses a program to play all the right notes.

Was that a sequenced performance?

Lol, I thought it was a little TOO even for my tastes but I didnt think it was done via midi. Id listen again, but I think it might have gotten deleted.

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2006, 07:23:54 AM »

Then why does it sound like an actual recording,sort of??

Because the new programs are able to create things like crescendos, dynamic differrences, tempo rubato, arpeggios, you just have to type it in and it plays for you.

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All the MP3 files on this particular site were created by playing MIDI files and capturing the soundcard output as a WAV file and then compressing it into MP3 format.
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2006, 01:28:01 PM »

Because the new programs are able to create things like crescendos, dynamic differrences, tempo rubato, arpeggios, you just have to type it in and it plays for you.

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and some even imitate real piano tones over middle range and upper range with added resonance, programs like Garritan suite. But somehow the ears can always say if its human played or a program played. There is still no program that can truly capture a Real Piano being played by a Real Pianist. There's just so many beautiful things going on in a piano when a pianist plays and its hard to capture those nuances. So, yes its indeed a program!
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2006, 06:26:00 PM »

Because the new programs are able to create things like crescendos, dynamic differrences, tempo rubato, arpeggios, you just have to type it in and it plays for you.

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Are you sure they arent midi files taken from live performances on midi equiped electric pianos? Obviously this can be quantized, edited and generally tweaked, but I think it would be the most efficient way of creating an authentic recording from midi.

You'd need some crackshot midi programming skills to do that in list editor, thats for sure!

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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2006, 11:44:23 PM »

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The downloadable files within mfiles are in general all created in the same way. Firstly a sheet music version is created using the Sibelius music editing software. On its own this provides reasonably good playback using the Scorch plug-in and a Sibelius feature called "expressivo" which makes the music less mechanical sounding. Usually, though, hidden codes are added to vary the tempo and dynamics subtly to make the playback appear more natural.

I rest my case.
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2006, 09:07:30 PM »


Hmmm, no kidding. Well, I must admit that this is quite impressive for a programmed midi performance. Some tempo automations to emulate rubato, and that would be pretty amazing. There are some reasonable piano sample libraries about these days too, so for none pianists, this is a great option when producing music.

I wonder what the 'expressivo' function actually does? Maybe it randomly fluctuates the timing and dynamics, not sure. Will have to look into that one.



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