I sometimes marvel at my own existence

[lisztisforkids]

Dont you?

[thalbergmad]

First sign of madness old chap.

[henrah]

I don't, I merely ponder.

[gilad]

yes i do, i used to get trapped in a thought cycle about how i could possibly exist. i was constantly amazed at the question of creation. i decided to leave that one for another day.

[johnny-boy]

I always marvel at how existence came into existence to begin with. What is the origin of existence? How did it happen? And if it was God, where did he come from?

Best, John

[henrah]

Chicken and the egg my friends. Though I think it was truly a highly intelligent cat-form that decided to travel back in time and end this undecided decision by eating the chicken. And the egg. Then it smoked a cigar and felt good for changing the world for the better....er.

[rc]

Chicken and the egg my friends. Though I think it was truly a highly intelligent cat-form that decided to travel back in time and end this undecided decision by eating the chicken. And the egg. Then it smoked a cigar and felt good for changing the world for the better....er.

Now dogs are laying eggs ya jackass!

[henrah]

Hah, good, they deserve to!


lollers, no wonder they bark at cats all the time.... over a millenia of laying eggs, all because of the cats...

[anekdote]

[rimv2]

Dont you?

Yes. Ah am a rather extraordinary individual. Now I just have to convince the voices in my head of this too.

[prometheus]

I do too. I mean. I look at a flower. It has colours and it has a smell. So these bumblebees, incredible fat bees, come and pollunate the flower. So this means that the bumblebee can see and smell the flower too, otherwise it wouldn't matter. So does the bumblebee also find the flower beautiful?

And them I imagine the number of evolutionary steps needed; mind boggling. And then there are people that argue that some creature just created all of this in a flash. What an absurd notion and how much ignorance about the beauty of nature it contains. It is just disrespectful as it downplays the complexity of nature; suggesting that it could be created in one step instead of trillions of little steps.

About why the universe exists? This is so puzzling and amazing. I mean, the universe is so huge, and then I am talking about the estimated total size of the universe, not only the observable universe because the last is just very very small. I have been told that the observable universe is just as much bigger than a proton as the total universe is bigger than the observable universe. And the observable universe reaches 13.7 million ligh year away from us and already contains 7 × 10^22 stars, organized in about 100 billion galaxies

[semme]

prometheus, just because it says 7 days in genesis doesnt mean god created the whole kit and caboodle in 7 days. 7 days? no way, i dont believe in that god either. why shouldnt they be 7 aeons instead?  some people look the first chapters in the bible as a poem and not as a fact based information that "must" be applied 1 to 1.
i dont like that so many people dissect every little phrase in the bible. why dont we look at the entire picture that the bible wants to tell us. would it really matter if god created the world in an entirely different way? 7 days or 7 aeons or .... . The message is still clear.

[lisztisforkids]

I wonder if I truly even do exist... If this isnt just a dream... If I can find a way how to stop time and enjoy the now instead of the future..

[lisztisforkids]

First sign of madness old chap.

Maybe Im actually insane, and im going sane?

I was thinking about m1469 said the other day about people. "Since when is anybody different?"
So that means its normal to be different, and its different to be normal, I always thought I was different so maybe im just trying to be normal?

[prometheus]

Actually the bible says god created the world in six days. But six days are six days. If it were actually six eons then the bible is wrong. If the bible is wrong we get on an edged slope.

some people look the first chapters in the bible as a poem and not as a fact based information that "must" be applied 1 to 1.

The problem is that when you look to the bible from an explanation of creation then you can't read it as a poem. Those people that believe god created everything out of nothing believe so because the bible says god created the world in 6 days and through speech. Those that read a poem don't believe in creationism.

i dont like that so many people dissect every little phrase in the bible. why dont we look at the entire picture that the bible wants to tell us. would it really matter if god created the world in an entirely different way? 7 days or 7 aeons or .... . The message is still clear.

I think it does matter. If a scientific theory has an inaccuracy it gets thrown in the trash bin, and rightly so.

[henrah]

prometheus, just because it says 7 days in genesis doesnt mean god created the whole kit and caboodle in 7 days. 7 days? no way, i dont believe in that god either. why shouldnt they be 7 aeons instead? some people look the first chapters in the bible as a poem and not as a fact based information that "must" be applied 1 to 1.
i dont like that so many people dissect every little phrase in the bible. why dont we look at the entire picture that the bible wants to tell us. would it really matter if god created the world in an entirely different way? 7 days or 7 aeons or .... . The message is still clear.

Oh my god, deja vu. You have definately said this before, but in a different context. Or atleast someone has, possibly not you.

Now I'm getting deja vu on writing that I got deja vu.



Oh my god, an infinite cycle of deja vu'ing deja vu.....

[lisztisforkids]

Oh my God, I am so sick of people on both sides getting into stupid religous on non-religous topics.

[johnny-boy]

I wonder if I truly even do exist... If this isnt just a dream... If I can find a way how to stop time and enjoy the now instead of the future..

It's always "now".

John

[anekdote]

prometheus, just because it says 7 days in genesis doesnt mean god created the whole kit and caboodle in 7 days. 7 days? no way, i dont believe in that god either. why shouldnt they be 7 aeons instead?  some people look the first chapters in the bible as a poem and not as a fact based information that "must" be applied 1 to 1.
i dont like that so many people dissect every little phrase in the bible. why dont we look at the entire picture that the bible wants to tell us. would it really matter if god created the world in an entirely different way? 7 days or 7 aeons or .... . The message is still clear.

Throughout the Bible the number 6 represents imperfection, whereas the number 7 represents perfection. Man was created on the sixth day because he is imperfect. God concluded his creation and rested on the seventh day, and this signifies that his creation as a whole is perfect. Maybe the creation days are really just symbological/numerological (not literal)? When someone tries to replace days with aeons, they are still trying to cling to a literal interpretation.

[what]

It's always "now".

John

Indeed.

If you think of all the parts of existence as the parts of a really complex kaleidoscope with some kind of intelligence to it, it seems really strange to think that there was ever any beginning point that you can understand as being distinctly separate from the present. By which I mean, it seems like every moment is the beginning point, or rather that there's never any point that is not a beginning point.

This whole cause and effect thing while valid to an extent as the basis of all logical understanding, is also a really frickin dodgy way of understanding reality in the present because it makes it seem like there was some thing or event way back long ago that made all of this happen when it could very well be that every present moment is the source of all this happening and rather than understanding the present moment as a sequence of progression following a plan or law of cause and effect, it's just that this present moment (i.e. the only moment that actually exists) is always just evolving of its own will.

Also another thing that I find interesting is that when we wonder how the hell it is that we exist, we always think of our existence or the existence of things around us as if they could be separated from everything else. As if it were possible to remove the entire sky but keep the clouds or as if it were possible to still exist as the consciousness of a human being separated in a vacuum without everything else in the universe. I don't know why we think of things this way because we've never actually existed in a reality where we can be separate from our surroundings.

[pianistimo]

better to ponder it now than wait for an accident. my neighbor fell down the stairs and an ambulance pulled up to his house this morning when i ws leaving with my son for school.  i didn't know if he was alive or dead at first.  in fact, two ambulences left and i wondered if his wife was also hurt or dead.  it really shocks you when things happen so fast.  thankfully, he's returned home tonight and probably the x-rays showed something positive (that his back will heal).  apparently he couldn't get up off the floor when it happened.

i have no idea what his beliefs are - but just use the example as unexpected happenings in our lives.  prayer is never a risk in the way we term risk.  it is a blessing to use our minds for asking God 'why did you make me? what purpose am I here for?  what can You show me today?  i need some help.'

[what]

It is a blessing to use our minds for asking God 'why did you make me? what purpose am I here for?  what can You show me today?  i need some help.'

It seems weird to me that we can think of ourselves existentially as things created to fulfill some sort of requirement, or things created to live up to some sort of condition. It really makes me wonder how much of what we think of "the creator" ( which I udnerstand simply as that which makes the present moment the present moment) could really just be the impression that we grew up with of our parents.