Why I Support the War in Iraq

[steveie986]

Bush is a strong, decisive leader who is a true humanitarian. All that stuff about oil is made up by the liberal media. If the US profits from the oil it's simply a just reward for the great service we're doing in the Middle East.

Long live Israel.

[ada]

Ah, a poster boy for the ignorant American. It's attitudes like these that give your compatriots a bad name 

[steveie986]

Doing the right thing is never popular.

Popularity is fickle and the "popular" folks are usually the weak and ignorant. It takes vision and courage to do the right thing. God and Poland are on our side.

[johnny-boy]

And when are you going to serve your year with the military in Iraq Steveie?

[steveie986]

I'm too intelligent to serve in the military. I support our men and women in uniform, but my superior mind would be wasted in the military. I prefer to spend my time flaming math idiots on the Internets and earning degrees and playing the piano and writing poetry and making money. If I were dumber I'd definitely fight for my country, but when there's other guys doing it for you, why do you need to? It's all about comparative advantages and performing at your maximum utility.

[johnny-boy]

I'm too intelligent to serve in the military. I support our men and women in uniform, but my superior mind would be wasted in the military. I prefer to spend my time flaming math idiots on the Internets and earning degrees and playing the piano and writing poetry and making money. If I were dumber I'd definitely fight for my country, but when there's other guys doing it for you, why do you need to? It's all about comparative advantages and performing at your maximum utility.

You just removed all doubt as to what kind of person you are. You're a disgrace.

[ada]

I'm too intelligent to serve in the military. I support our men and women in uniform, but my superior mind would be wasted in the military. I prefer to spend my time flaming math idiots on the Internets and earning degrees and playing the piano and writing poetry and making money. If I were dumber I'd definitely fight for my country, but when there's other guys doing it for you, why do you need to? It's all about comparative advantages and performing at your maximum utility.

oh. A wit. hilarious 

[Derek]

I love how people who don't live here actually call us ignorant. What the hell do you know? Shut up.

[steveie986]

You just removed all doubt as to what kind of person you are. You're a disgrace.

That's what they said about Jesus. That's what they said about Martin Luther King. That's what they said about all the great people in history. I guess I'm in good company. Thanks for the compliment.

To all y'all America-haters out there: If we're so ignorant and stupid why are we the sole superpower and why do our institutions of higher learning outperform yours in research? If we're so fat why do we have Hollywood and why are our chicks hotter than yours? Nobody's born better than others - not like the real disgraces in Royal Europe - you've gotta earn it. I earned it, did you?

[ada]

I love how people who don't live here actually call us ignorant. What the hell do you know? Shut up.

And ah love how people who say they defend free speech tell other people to shut up when they don't like what they is sayin 

Don't be so sore ... y'all shouldn't be so sensitive to criticism.

Anyways ah didn't come here to have no fight with uppity yanks. So ah'll exit this thread.

[steveie986]

And ah love how people who say they defend free speech tell other people to shut up when they don't like what they is sayin 

Don't be so sore ... y'all shouldn't be so sensitive to criticism.

Anyways ah didn't come here to have no fight with uppity yanks. So ah'll exit this thread.

Certainly, a central tenet of free speech is the protection of the right to tell ignoramuses to shut up. Otherwise, free speech would be fairly useless.

[musik_man]

And when are you going to serve your year with the military in Iraq Steveie?

If one has to be in the military to support the war, then one has to be willing to be tortured and have family members raped in front of you to be against the liberation of Iraqis.  Of course the whole chickenhawk thing is a completely dishonest arguement.  You don't care a whit what the military's opinion on the war is, probably because they are overwhelmingly for it.  Are you seriously willing to argue against civilian control of the military?

BTW I'm not serving in the military because the military doesn't want me.  My vision is -8.75/-9.5 without glasses. 

Ive heard some American women are very good at giveing blow J*b with the right price.

Seriously, just shut up.

I'm too intelligent to serve in the military. I support our men and women in uniform, but my superior mind would be wasted in the military. I prefer to spend my time flaming math idiots on the Internets and earning degrees and playing the piano and writing poetry and making money. If I were dumber I'd definitely fight for my country, but when there's other guys doing it for you, why do you need to? It's all about comparative advantages and performing at your maximum utility.

Oh yes, our nation would truly miss your flaming math idiots.  You're a genuine hero.

[lisztisforkids]

You have to be kidding me here.... I am not a Liberal, but man... Your just insane.
 

[lisztisforkids]

Wait.. This is a joke, this hasto be a joke. This is way to ridiculous.

[musik_man]

Wait.. This is a joke, this hasto be a joke. This is way to ridiculous.

I was wondering that.  It's just on the border of believability.

[BoliverAllmon]

  Ive heard some American women are very good at giveing  blow J*b with the right price.

only if you are a democrat and your name is Bill

[ahinton]

To all y'all America-haters out there: If we're so ignorant and stupid why are we the sole superpower and why do our institutions of higher learning outperform yours in research? If we're so fat why do we have Hollywood and why are our chicks hotter than yours? Nobody's born better than others - not like the real disgraces in Royal Europe - you've gotta earn it. I earned it, did you?

I have to say that I do think you're taking your readers for a ride here - as at least one later contributor seemed to suspect - and I have also to say that you've done it quite effectively. Nice to know that you have a sense of humour and some skill in how to deploy it.

That said, if I may digress momentarily just to take just a couple of points seriously, I am sure that there are plenty of people out there, both in America and elsewhere, who deplore many of the antics of the current American administration but are far from being "America haters" in the sense that they despise the American people per se.

The other issue is that your evident pro-imperialist stance (if it is genuinely to be believed) seems to sit rather ill alongside your reference to the "real disgraces in Royal Europe", by which one may reasonably assume you to be alluding to those European countries that still maintain monarchies, some of which are those same countries that did a lot of the colonising in the past.

Best,

Alistair

[kelly_kelly]

I'm sick of all this negativity in the liberal media about the war in Iraq. People are dying, sure, but they're mostly TERRORISTS who are bent on destruction and killing Americans. I think the US is doing a great job and I think our men and women in uniform should hang in there. Those Arabs couldn't take care of their own country under Saddam so we had to go and clean up the place for them. FACT: once things settle down Iraqis will be safer under the US than under Saddam. Liberals say imperialism is bad blah blah but that's a lie. Without European colonialism much of the world would be much poorer.

FACT: Islam is a religion rooted in rape, pillage, and murder. People who deny this are ignoring history. Civilizations evolve at different rates, East Asian and European culture are farther ahead in evolution. I'm not racist, because I believe all cultures have the potential to reach a similar level of achievement but some just haven't gotten there yet. Case in point is the Islamic world, which was ahead of Europe during the Middle Ages but has fallen back and the rise of fundamentalism has made it into pretty much a medieval society now. This IS a clash of civilization and we're gonna spread democracy and freedom and win this skirmish. Sure, people are gonna die and there's gonna be fighting but that's just a small cost to pay for giving those brown kids a chance to go to school and their women a chance to live a human life.

Bush is a strong, decisive leader who is a true humanitarian. All that stuff about oil is made up by the liberal media. If the US profits from the oil it's simply a just reward for the great service we're doing in the Middle East.

God bless the U-S-A. Down with Arab terrorism. Long live Israel.

Bush? Strong? Decisive? Well, I suppose; ogres are strong, definitely, and unflexible They also have an IQ <1

I have said this many times, and will say it again; DEMOCRACY CANNOT BE SPREAD THROUGH FORCE!!!!!!! IT IS AN OXIMORON!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, LOOK at what's happening here! We have plunged Iraq into a civil war! When the people of Iraq truly want democracy and are ready for it, it will happen. As for the people of Iraq being mostly terrorists, well, the people who the want to destroy are mostly stupid racist Americans, so who cares? 

[ahinton]

Bush? Strong? Decisive? Well, I suppose; ogres are strong, definitely, and unflexible They also have an IQ <1

I have said this many times, and will say it again; DEMOCRACY CANNOT BE SPREAD THROUGH FORCE!!!!!!! IT IS AN OXIMORON!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, LOOK at what's happening here! We have plunged Iraq into a civil war! When the people of Iraq truly want democracy and are ready for it, it will happen. As for the people of Iraq being mostly terrorists, well, the people who the want to destroy are mostly stupid racist Americans, so who cares? 

Now, now, kelly_kelly; calm calm down down!

I don't dispute your view about Bush at all, but if "democracy" is in any sense "Bushism" (and I'm not saying that it is) then it's surely best not "spread" at all. To be fair, I do think that Iraq would have plunged itself into civil war eventually, without any of the assistance from US, UK, etc. that it has had to this end; the Saddam régime had to go, one way or another and, had this instead been brought about by internal revolt rather than external influence, the fallout would stil have been considerable and the necessary reparations long-term. That is not in any sense to defend what the US, UK etc. have done and continue to do. As for the notion that the majority of Iraqi citizens are "terrorists" because of the undeniable, profoundly unwelcome and and undoubtedly dangerous existence of al-Q'aeda, that is about as nonsensical as claiming that the same could be said of American ones just because they happen at present to have George W Bush as President; this semantically absurd notion of a "war on terror" is equally untenable, since one can go to war against people but not against a concept, as has often been noted before.

There are "stupid racists" in many countries, most of whom constitute minorities in those countries (which fact is again not to excuse or defend their existence as such); they need putting in their place not by "going to war against" them or "destroying" them but by constantly and persistently exposing the sheer impracticalities and untenability of their attitudes and moving on. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with racial pride, mind you, until and unless it becomes - or more often is forced to become - a weapon with which to beat those of diffeent persuasions...

Best,

Alistair

[steveie986]

As for the people of Iraq being mostly terrorists, well, the people who the want to destroy are mostly stupid racist Americans, so who cares? 

I think this statement is basically racist in itself, and pretty much nullifies all the other trash you've spewed. What if you replaced "stupid racist Americans" in your statements with "stupid racist Africans" or "stupid racist Chinese?" How is it not revolting to suggest that well-intending people who are saving those Arabs' asses deserve to be destroyed? I'm telling ya, Europeans are deluded - it's their Royal Complex that makes them think they're better than us. But you know what, it's because of JEALOUSY. Old Europe's moment in history is OVER. If it weren't for us, y'all would be Nazis today. Plus you wouldn't have music to listen to or movies to watch. FACT: America made modern civilization, and we have the right to do whatever we want with it. America giveth, and America taketh away. Don't forget that. God and Poland are on our side.

[kelly_kelly]

As for the people of Iraq being mostly terrorists, well, the people who the want to destroy are mostly stupid racist Americans, so who cares? 

That was sarcasm, just to clarify things. I am American.

[kelly_kelly]

Though right about now I wish I weren't.

[steveie986]

That was sarcasm, just to clarify things. I am American.

Regardless, my main point was: America giveth, and America taketh away. After all, kings, presidents, and emperors have special privileges. And we made the modern world, so we've gotta take charge and rule it, just as the Lord Jehovah told Adam to rule over the animals of the field. Any statement to the contrary is the result of sheer jealousy. Remember, Old Europe would all be Nazi if it weren't for us.

[cziffra]

Regardless, my main point was: America giveth, and America taketh away. After all, kings, presidents, and emperors have special privileges. And we made the modern world, so we've gotta take charge and rule it, just as the Lord Jehovah told Adam to rule over the animals of the field. Any statement to the contrary is the result of sheer jealousy. Remember, Old Europe would all be Nazi if it weren't for us.

Go cut your nuts off.  You are a perfect candidate for a darwin award.

[kelly_kelly]

Regardless, my main point was: America giveth, and America taketh away. After all, kings, presidents, and emperors have special privileges. And we made the modern world, so we've gotta take charge and rule it, just as the Lord Jehovah told Adam to rule over the animals of the field. Any statement to the contrary is the result of sheer jealousy. Remember, Old Europe would all be Nazi if it weren't for us.

Um... without Europe we wouldn't exist. Or rather, we'd be tribal and primitive, and certainly in no position to "rule the modern world".

Besides, that has nothing to do with my statement:

As for the people of Iraq being mostly terrorists, well, the people who the want to destroy are mostly stupid racist Americans, so who cares? 

I was trying to say that insinuating that saying the Iraqis who are being killed as a result of our interference are terrorists is just as ridiculous as claiming that the Americans who died in 9-11 were stupid and racist.

[musik_man]

Kelly Kelly, I was unaware that democracy couldn't be forced.  I guess I'll have to tell Germany and Japan that they are bound for failure.  We shouldn't have forced those poor people.

I seriously think his is BSing this at this point.  He's trying to parody conservative views on the war, and he's all the more an *** for it.

[prometheus]

Democracy wasn't forced in Japan and Germany. At least not as it is in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[musik_man]

Democracy wasn't forced in Japan and Germany. At least not as it is in Afghanistan and Iraq.

How so?  We crushed their regimes and forced the establishment of a democratic government.  And while you can point to a brief history of democracy in Germany, you can't in Japan.

[deja vu]

steveie986 ... I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU

although, I do think if we just nuked them all off the map, that would solve a lot more problems

I supported the war, too. My dad fought in it, in the RAF

My father has an IQ of 148... I find it somewhat offensive that you accuse those who fight in the war of being "dumb".

[mig]

Remember, Old Europe would all be Nazi if it weren't for us.

This is insulting. Japan would've had two more cities and a lot more popultion if it wasn't for America's good will. The US must be thankful to Germany, if it wasn't for them, America would still be a third-world country.

[musik_man]

This is insulting. Japan would've had two more cities and a lot more popultion if it wasn't for America's good will. The US must be thankful to Germany, if it wasn't for them, America would still be a third-world country.

Except that by the time Germany actually came into existance, America was a world power.

[steveie986]

steveie986 ... I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU

although, I do think if we just nuked them all off the map, that would solve a lot more problems

I supported the war, too. My dad fought in it, in the RAF

My father has an IQ of 148... I find it somewhat offensive that you accuse those who fight in the war of being "dumb".

I like that attitude. You actually stole my thunder by mentioning the nucular option. Boy that would sure as heck bring peace on earth real quick once we blast all them Arab terrorists to kingdom come (the real one, mind you, not the Muhammadean one). Amen.

I never said all military folks were dumb - there are obviously a lot of real bright ones, like Colin Powell and the fine engineers who design our USA-made nukes. Besides, I was just talking about us Yanks; the British lads are probably a lot smarter. Just like the war movies. Especially the RAF - I mean they outsmarted the freakin Luftvaffer. How badass it must be to growl in that sexy British accent "Die, thou Arab abomination, ye shall terrorize the world no longer" before firing one in his head and sending him off to Allah and his promised sixty virgins. Boy do I respect the British army. Can't say the same for most of the wussy pacifist Britishers though. What happened to that bulldog, fight on the beaches attitude?

[mig]

Except that by the time Germany actually came into existance, America was a world power.

Oh really? Enlighten me.

[jas]

I like that attitude. You actually stole my thunder by mentioning the nucular option. Boy that would sure as heck bring peace on earth real quick once we blast all them Arab terrorists to kingdom come (the real one, mind you, not the Muhammadean one). Amen.

I never said all military folks were dumb - there are obviously a lot of real bright ones, like Colin Powell and the fine engineers who design our USA-made nukes. Besides, I was just talking about us Yanks; the British lads are probably a lot smarter. Just like the war movies. Especially the RAF - I mean they outsmarted the freakin Luftvaffer. How badass it must be to growl in that sexy British accent "Die, thou Arab abomination, ye shall terrorize the world no longer" before firing one in his head and sending him off to Allah and his promised sixty virgins. Boy do I respect the British army. Can't say the same for most of the wussy pacifist Britishers though. What happened to that bulldog, fight on the beaches attitude?

What on earth are you slavering about? Get a grip.

[lisztisforkids]

What on earth are you slavering about? Get a grip.

  This is on the scale of Tim Hoffman. 

[johnny-boy]

He's one sick pup jas. Fortunately nobody takes him seriously.

John

[steveie986]

At least I'm not a math retard like you, thinking 0.999... != 1. Even the dumbest cadets know that 0.999...=1. It's the first thing they learn in Boot Camp.

[johnny-boy]

Somebody get the flyswatter; it's that pesky little fly again. It keeps making exactly the same annoying noise – over and over and over again. It’s like one of those telemarketing pests.

I don’t know why it doesn’t shut-up until it has something relevant to mutter. Maybe we should nuke him???

John

[prometheus]

How so?  We crushed their regimes and forced the establishment of a democratic government.  And while you can point to a brief history of democracy in Germany, you can't in Japan.

Quite right. Japan and Germany are nothing alike. My point was that the argument is made that one cannot force democracy in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. And that this argument is countered with the cases of Germany and Japan.
Just like Germany and Japan are nothing alike. So are Japan and Afghanistan/Iraq not alike. Actually even Iraq and Afghanistan differ.

The japanese people, at least most of them, were willing to absorb western culture. Why this is exactly is still a mystery to me. But the attitude from the people in the middle east is way way different.

As for Germany, I guess it only came to exist as it is now when Germany was united in 1990. What is now germany has existed in different countries and different feudal areas if you go back even further.

I guess one can say the same thing about the US. First off, the US isn't a country like most countries. They are a unified group of states. The borders of the US have also changed. Part of Mexico has been annexed, Alaska has been bought. Hawai has been annexed. Philiphines has been annexed and given back. Oceania has been fought over against Japan. Etc etc. But all this is irrelevant for the point made, whoever made it I forgot. Surely Charlemange has his german empire, or rather holy roman empire , before the new world was officially discovered. But like Voltaire said: "The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire." So I guess you are right after all...

[johnny-boy]

“I'm too intelligent to serve in the military. I support our men and women in uniform, but my superior mind would be wasted in the military. If I were dumber I'd definitely fight for my country, but when there's other guys doing it for you, why do you need to?”-steveie986

“I never said all military folks were dumb” – steveie986

Insecurity breeds a strong desire to seek allies (and he’s festering in insecurity). Notice how he sweeps his initial statement under the rug in order to seek the approval from a potential ally.

I’d suggest seeking psychiatric help rather than sucking up to potential cohorts Steveie.

 

[prometheus]

Actually the statements don't contradict each other if you assume he things he has above average intelligence. In that case his statement 'too intelligent to serve..." means that he is above average and not that he is average and the average soldier is below the average. That way he can be too smart while the average soldier can still be average, meaning that they aren't dumb.

Actually, both of your pathetic statements probably have little to do with intelligence and more with arrogance and some ignorance. Since you are both young adults, I am going to assume this, I don' see any serious problems.
Further more, this is the internet. Some people use it to toy in discussions, sometimes arguing points they don't actually agree with, flame and bait, play they alter ego, etc etc. You can't take it too seriously.

[stevie]

the point of the war is to save more lifes than it expends, right?

if this is definetly the case, then going to war was the 'right thing' ;a lesser evil than not going to war.

if it was unknown, and a gamble, it was wrong.
if it expended more lifes than it has saved, it was obviously wrong too.

this is as far as my beliefs stretch on this subject, because i dont know enough about the ratios to comment.

although, I do think if we just nuked them all off the map, that would solve a lot more problems

its dangerous joking about things like this, some people might think youre serious  

[ahinton]

“I'm too intelligent to serve in the military. I support our men and women in uniform, but my superior mind would be wasted in the military. If I were dumber I'd definitely fight for my country, but when there's other guys doing it for you, why do you need to?”-steveie986

“I never said all military folks were dumb” – steveie986

Insecurity breeds a strong desire to seek allies (and he’s festering in insecurity). Notice how he sweeps his initial statement under the rug in order to seek the approval from a potential ally.

I’d suggest seeking psychiatric help rather than sucking up to potential cohorts Steveie.

 

You can suggest what you like, but do first let us now what it is that you have against the psychiatric profession that you feel that some part of it ought to be expected to offer assistance here.

As to the subject, I'm not about to add to what I wrote earlier, except to say that the "bulldog" (bullshit?) bit in UK died before Churchill did, as the questioner surely knows. America's "power" - which many Americans know well is waning fast these days and is not about to be kept alive by any sabre-rattling, either in words or in deeds - has been dependent principally on economic strength. Where's that now? Mind you, where's that of any nation? We're all being persuaded to remind ourselves that, just as we do not argue with our bankers, America should be wary of the extent to which it argues with China, but let it not be forgotten that China's bid for ecomonic supremacy also comes at a very high price and that it, as a nation, is as dependent upon borrowing as is almost every other nation on earth to a greater or lesser degree. We are almost all, both personally and nationally, borrowed up to and way beyond the hilt, so the way it all comes down - if indeed it ever does - is anyone's guess and this fact, when duly recognised, serves properly to undermine the threat of al-Q'aeda, Bush's America, the Taleban, Blair's (or more properly Brown's) Britain, the seethingly disorganised and governmentally dysfunctional "Europe" (a group of 25 nations hell bent on expanding to 100+ for reasons best known probably to no one) and the rest; which nation or nations can really effectively assert. let alone sustain, any kind of credible "supremacy"? None of the above, for sure. Consistent and reliable economic supremacy is the very least that is necessary for this to happen - and of that there is, I think, no longer any to be found these days.

Best,

Alistair

[steveie986]

What on earth are you slavering about? Get a grip.

I swear, I'm speaking the TRUF.

[steveie986]

Oh no, I'm starting to sober up.

[ahinton]

Oh no, I'm starting to sober up.

One hesitates to ask, but what might you suppose would be the danger of George Walker Bush doing the same (metaphorically speaking, of course)?

Best,

Alistair

[deja vu]

its dangerous joking about things like this, some people might think youre serious  

erm,,, who says I was joking?

[stevie]

erm,,, who says I was joking?

common sense does, but if thats what anyone thinks, they are no better than the terrorists themselves.

[ahinton]

Perhaps one of the ironies of this thread is that quite a few of its contributors will inevitably be posting to "Why I Support the War in Iraq" when they do not support it at all; that's life, I guess.

George W B is obviously not happy about the perceived risk that Irán is about to develop "nukular" (God help us!) weapons. OK - so the redneck brigade will just have to ensure that he goes to war with that country, too, with a view to win the "war on terror" - never mind what that may do to the international oil price, they'll just have to go to war on that too (SUVs rather than tanks, anyone?). The UK Chancellor of the Exchequer (why he? - except that, as some fear, he hopes to be president of greater Europe eventually) has just a few days ago given a speech to indicate that Britain will resume its own development towards "nukular" (God help us again!) capability (capability Brown?). So, never mind the fact that, in his nine years in office, he's paralysed most of the UK taxpayers to the point that they'll never be able to afford this luxury; perhaps UK should also now expect that Bush's America will focus its "war on terror" in our direction as well. What price the "bulldog" bit then? I don't bother to wonder...

Best,

Alistair

[yuc4h]

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