Rachmaninoff VS. Rachmaninov

[schnabels_grandson]

Рахманинов.  That is the russian equvilent to Rachmaninoff.  Some people choose to say or spell it Rachmaninov or Rachmaninow.  The little B character at the end stands for the letter or sound V.  However, in russian if this letter is used at the end of a word, it makes an F sound.  Hence, the correct spelling and pronunciation of the name is "Rachmaninoff".  Remember, this is the way Rachmaninoff had it spelled on his tombstone.  So, if you've gone with the misinformed crowd and said "Rachmaninov", now's the time to change your ways.    

[schnabels_grandson]

Darn, I guess this thing can't handle Russian characters.

[cziffra]

thankyou, for putting the lid on that one- that has been annoying me for many years now, not knowing which one that should be.

does that count for balakireff too?

[schnabels_grandson]

does that count for balakireff too?

I think so,  I actually should have said it adds an F sound to the existing V, but the F sound is more pronounced, like "RachmaninovF".  So I guess it would be Balakirevf with slightly more emphasis on the F than the V.  

[liszmaninopin]

What is Rachmaninoff's correct first name?  I have seen it written Sergei, Serge, Sergey, and probably a couple of others.  I have always leaned towards Sergei Rachmaninoff as the correct spelling, but could be mistaken.

[eddie92099]

Call him what you like. We all know who we are talking about,
Ed

[schnabels_grandson]

Well, I would accept that idea but I think this is very similar to calling a piece a song.  We all know what people mean when they say song, but apparently it still causes anger.  Same with Rachmaninoff.  

[eddie92099]

No, it's not similar at all. Rachmaninov, Rachmaninoff, Rakhmaninov etc. are all acceptable and widely used translations of a Russian name,
Ed

[schnabels_grandson]

I suppose you're right.  Rachmaninoff is the only correct translation/pronunciation though.

[Noah]

I suppose you're right.  Rachmaninoff is the only correct translation/pronunciation though.

Then unless you write his name in cyrillic, you'll be spelling his name wrong. As far as I know there is no official 'translation' of the cyrillic alphabet into the latin alphabet, hence Rachmaninov; Rakhmaninov or Rachmaninoff are all equally valid.  

[Hmoll]

This thread should be moved to the "Who Gives a F***" folder.

[eddie92099]

This thread should be moved to the "Who Gives a F***" folder.

Where it would join the "How fast can you scale chromatically?" thread,
Ed

[Hmoll]

Where it would join the "How fast can you scale chromatically?" thread,
Ed

You've got my vote, Ed.

[thracozaag]

Рахманинов.  That is the russian equvilent to Rachmaninoff.  Some people choose to say or spell it Rachmaninov or Rachmaninow.  The little B character at the end stands for the letter or sound V.  However, in russian if this letter is used at the end of a word, it makes an F sound.  Hence, the correct spelling and pronunciation of the name is "Rachmaninoff".  Remember, this is the way Rachmaninoff had it spelled on his tombstone.  So, if you've gone with the misinformed crowd and said "Rachmaninov", now's the time to change your ways.    

 Scriabin
 Skyriabin
 Scriabine
 Skriabin

.."Let's call the whole thing off"

[BoliverAllmon]

This is all quite amusing. Please continue.

boliver

[allchopin]

Where it would join the "How fast can you scale chromatically?" thread

Your motto just HAS to be, if you can't compete, deride.

[eddie92099]

Your motto just HAS to be, if you can't compete, deride.

W,
Ed

[dinosaurtales]

You guys just totally crack me up.  But now that we've brought the darned thing up, my teacher has a book of Prokofieff sonatas, and my book says Prokofiev.  SHE says the 'v' one is correct.  How does that fit into your alphabet soup scenario?

And no smart cracks from the peanut gallery - ED!  

And by the way, Merry Christmas - it IS *tomorros* there, isn't it?  It's still Christmas eve here.

Min

[chsmike2345]

Lets call him Rocky and leave it at that. LOL

[Daevren]

Almost all russian names translated to english are incorrectly spelled. Officially, that is. Because if you would translate them as correct as possible you get thinks you don't normally see in english. Like Dostojefski, Toergenjev, Poesjkin, stuff like that. Well those are writers, not musicians, before anyone gets scared he/she lacks in music knowledge.

[pianomaestro88]

tsar v. czar?

Not to say that Rachmaninoff is the czar of...well anything.  

[Rach3]

The point is, it's all TRANSLATION and as thus not absolute. I am not aware of an "official" standardized convention for cyrillic-english translation.

[Rach3]

Personally, I prefer Rachmaninoff, it looks correctish. I have a teacher who calls him "Rachy".

I haven't seen "Balakrievf" anywhere, or "Balakrieff".

We brought up Bala***, Scri***, and Prok***, surprised no one mentioned...

CHAIKOFFSKY!!!

[eddie92099]

Don't you mean Cjiekhoffskhijh?
Ed

[chopinetta]

blame it on translations... thumbs up on that one Ed! hehe   what's the point arguing about which is which? all can do when it's english...

[chopinetta]

why don't you settle with rkmnnv... that's very very very convenient!

[Rach3]

Rachy.

[IgnazPaderewski]

This is a slightly pointless discussion, as you cannot arrive at a right or wrong conclusion, as all the names mentioned are just attempts at best phonetically translating a name in a different language. So you are only debating the most widely accepted (Rekmanynovv would not qualify) translation, and the main two are the  v/ff endings. Have fun, Ill stick with NI!

[chopinetta]

but we're having so much fun with rach-rach!!!

[ThEmUsIcMaNBJ]

Well if he used "Rachmaninoff" on his tombstone I think "Rachmaninoff" would be most appropriate don't you?  I figure he came up with that spelling because I'm sure he spelled his name in english before!  Think about it though, the way you spell your name is the right way, if he wrote his name Rakkmaninnsofk in english that would be correct now wouldn't it?

Wouldn't you get a little upset if your name was Brian and everyone kept spelling it Bryan?  I would, I know it doesn't matter too much but it gets a little irratating after a while.

But then again... He's dead I'm not sure he cares  

[L.K.]

How about...Rahmaninov? That's how it's usually spelled here.

[comme_le_vent]

rach, ex s club 7

what did rach's friends call him when he was alive?

friend : yo rach whats up man?

rach : just chillin dawg

sounds exactly right to me

[schnabels_grandson]

What I am trying to say is that when Rachmaninoff is spelled with a V, people pronounce the V.  Russians do not say it that way, therefore it's incorret.  It's like me calling Eddie "Ebby".