Do you hate any piece?

[dnephi]

  Wait.. I find this hard to believe. If I play a TE in a recital should I expect to be told "Now look here son, we dont allow that kind of rubbish here, take it back to America"?, Should I expect to have my passport revoked?

 Especially since many of these here other pianostreet forumers are European and love Liszt.

 And yes, it is ok to hate Liszt, its even okay to hate Beethoven, Mozart, Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich etc... As long as you respect them as a influential force.

If you have Beet Op. 57 and Liszt TEs in the same concert program then they would say, Anyone who plays Liszt cannot interpret the grandeur of Beethoven.  According to Alfred Brendel's article on Liszt, at least.

[ce nedra]

That is rather odd coming from Brendel, who happens to play Liszt very well. I think a pianist should be able to do it all. Ie interpret the grandeur of Beethoven, the grief of Chopin, the joy of Mozart, the virtuosity of Liszt etc He should be versatile in his music and not one-minded.

[kelly_kelly]

Bach Prelude No. 15 from WTC 1
Debussy Clair de Lune
85% of Schumann

And plenty more (can't think right now)...

[pianowolfi]

That is rather odd coming from Brendel,

That's not Brendel's opinion, he just complains that other people think so.

[netzow]

Is the brendel people are talking about Alfred Brendel? As in  Alfred Brendel plays Lizst?

[ce nedra]

That's not Brendel's opinion, he just complains that other people think so.

Oh pianowolfi, sorry, I misunderstood that post

Is the brendel people are talking about Alfred Brendel? As in  Alfred Brendel plays Lizst?

Yup.

[vassilji]

I understand that the truly way to reply to this topic would be to think about what piece may I "hate"... (sorry for my awfull ebglish).

But:
I was quite astonished from some of yours quotations...
May be possible that Someone "hate" quite all Chopin... My God... What fate has done to his hears, to his heart, to his life?? something terrible I think... Some others think that is possible to hate Chopin?
I think that is possible to hate some pieces when they are very, very romantic... But Chopin... it is human life, passion, emotions... life, mind, heart, truble and sounds. (think that is very, very difficult to play chopin in the right way... it is very common to play it with sentimentalism!! - One time, in the seond half of the '800 was thinked that Chopin was music for women (in a despregiative sense)... what a pity. Chopin is one of the most masculine music ever... (otherwise a lot of women play it very well). The ballades, the nocturnes, the preludes, the scherzi, the second konzert, or (truly wonderfull, but very, very difficult to interpretate - maybe the most difficult chopin's music) the mazurkas...

If someone wrote that he can't like all the musical production from 1730 since 1830 I think he didn't listen really to music... How is it possible to hate Mozart? (truly: Human life, more then Chopin... Life, emotion, perfection and love came down from the trascendent world of inspiration into the life of men (I truly think Bach is still more "methapisical")...
Mozart: The sonatas!!! (K 330! for ex.), Clarinet Konzert, Symphony n. 29, Piano Konzert n. 17, 9, 21, and (really!!!) n. 20 (yes, it is possible to hate some of Mozart's konzert, but the K 466? It is wonderfull, majestic, suffer and mistery... greatness of men and life), and THE REQUIEM!!??!!

Maybe is more comprensible that Beethoven is harder to understand... But Beethoven is an Enigma... Again, however, a GREAT MAN... A Man in the sense of the science of the spirit... a Great artist, a wonderfull mind. think of the late piano sonatas, or (better to comprehend) the Appassionata, the Pathetique (how it is possible to hate its second movemnt?), his symphony, the GROSSE FUGUE...
One day (years later) my maestro told me that he was hardly going trought life trying to find Bach... I was passed (in his whole life) trought Rachmaninov, then Scrjabin (Great!!), Chopin (better) & Mozart, Brahms (wonderfull...), Beethoven (wich, is unberable, is less "human" than Brahms - the last "human" great composer), and then... Mach maybe, oneday.

And Schubert's Winterreise?? Just the first song of the cycle (Gute nacht) is so wonderfull... and the others...

Tableaux d'une esposition by Modest petrovich Moussorgskji has a lot of strenght points I think, but a lot of time is played very bad... yes it isn't a great, great piece ever but have is soul and is charme and if you try to study it (with serious pianistic intentions, respects and without prejudices, only in order to wiev what is goin to happen)... I think you will enjoy yourself.

Yes, I think that is more possible to hate Tschaikowskji or Rachmaninov, but the tsch.'s 1° Klavierkonzert? and the Rach's 3°? Isn't that someone hate some pieces becouse they are abused... I truly love the 3° (becouse, I think Sergej R. wasin this piece truly sincere with himself... and maybe I find himself again, and - with him - also is beloved and far Russia)... so wonderfully russian... I think I preferred the 4° Konzert...

Sorry i it was very long as a post... but someone shocked me...
Maybe they were all sincere, but... Sure that anybody of you didn't fall in the tricks of hate something only becouse normally acllaimed and overplayed... Sorry in advance, if it isn't...
Enjoy music that without dubts one of the best thing of life, ever...
Bye
Vassilji.

[ihatepop]

I would wish to apologise from all the misunderstandings about the word 'hate' in the title, and would like to change it to dislike, instead. I understand the the word 'hate' is a much too negative word to use in this everlasting field of music (classical music).

ihatepop

(Any smart remarks about my username and I'll BURN you!!!)

[cygnusdei]

I hate Chopin Scherzo no. 1 with every fiber of my being.

[melengi]

Schoenberg and the Pandora's Box he opened.

if you don't at least appreciate webern then you need to rethink whether or not you should be playing music.

[counterpoint]

I hate Chopin Scherzo no. 1 with every fiber of my being.

Any hint why you hate this great piece?

[mephisto]

if you don't at least appreciate webern then you need to rethink whether or not you should be playing music.

Why?(not that I have anything against Webern)

[cygnusdei]

Any hint why you hate this great piece?

The bullheaded repetitions ... totally destroy whatever appeal the 1st theme used to have. I say do away with all repetitions and call it an intermezzo or impromptu.

[counterpoint]

The bullheaded repetitions ... totally destroy whatever appeal the 1st theme used to have. I say do away with all repetitions and call it an intermezzo or impromptu.

So you hate only the repetitions and not the piece itself?

That's a great relief for me   

[phil13]

if you don't at least appreciate webern then you need to rethink whether or not you should be playing music.

Piss off.

1. I'll appreciate whatever the hell I want.

2. I'll continue playing music regardless of your statement, which I find very offensive.

3. If I was going to appreciate ANY of the 2nd Viennese School, it'd be Berg.

4. There is a countless amount of piano literature, and a vast, even less countable amount of classical music in general. Just because I dislike a certain branch of it does not mean I am closed-minded.

5. You have offered no reason or proof that backs up your opinion.

6. It is people like you, people that believe their way is the right way and the ONLY right way, and that all others should change to suit their tastes, that offend me at the fundamental moral level.

 

Phil

[lau]

Do I dare say it?

 Rach 3. I feel as my head is going to spout after listening to it.

omg, i hate rach 3 to.

[counterpoint]

if you don't at least appreciate webern then you need to rethink whether or not you should be playing music.

You're joking 

There is only one real piece for solo piano by Webern, the Variations op.27

Forget Webern - try Eisler 

[musicsdarkangel]

I hate Chopin Scherzo no 2

[thalbergmad]

1. The complete works of Schumann
2. Anything written after 1940
3. Mussorgsky's pictures at an exhibition
4. Any famous piece with a name attached to it
5. Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto 1


Thal

[counterpoint]

I hate Chopin Scherzo no 2

I do like you 

[imbetter]

Islamey.  I hate it almost as much as "Pictures."  But Islamey gives me a rash when I'm forced to listen to it. 

...Islamey is one of my favorite pieces...

[imbetter]

I hate chopin ballade no. 1...........

Chopin ballade no.1 IS my favorite piece

[cygnusdei]

1. The complete works of Schumann
2. Anything written after 1940
3. Mussorgsky's pictures at an exhibition
4. Any famous piece with a name attached to it
5. Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto 1


Thal

I hated Tchaikovsky no. 1 until I heard Pletnev.

[jre58591]

2. Anything written after 1940

dont judge too quickly now. there is some really good stuff.

[jakev2.0]

I hate Schubert's song cycle "Winterreise"

WHY?! Gute Nacht is one of the most beautiful songs ever written. 

[musicsdarkangel]

I do like you 

good taste there 

[musicsdarkangel]

oh, and I also strongly dislike Ballade no 2, as well as Tchaik concerto 1 (but 2 is excellent)

I absolutely adore the Rach 3, although it is fair to say i've heard it way too much, and the other concertos (not 2, but Rhapsody, 1 and 4) don't get enough recognition because of it.

[quantum]

The Schumann Concerto makes me scratch my head. 

[mephisto]

2. Anything written after 1940
Thal

Ever heard about someone named Geirr Tveitt?

I am sure you will love his solo piano music. I can upload a 2 min piece by him for you. Its tonal, got great melody, normal rythms, and no serialism of any kind.

[melengi]

Piss off.

1. I'll appreciate whatever the hell I want.

2. I'll continue playing music regardless of your statement, which I find very offensive.

3. If I was going to appreciate ANY of the 2nd Viennese School, it'd be Berg.

4. There is a countless amount of piano literature, and a vast, even less countable amount of classical music in general. Just because I dislike a certain branch of it does not mean I am closed-minded.

5. You have offered no reason or proof that backs up your opinion.

6. It is people like you, people that believe their way is the right way and the ONLY right way, and that all others should change to suit their tastes, that offend me at the fundamental moral level.

 

Phil

wise up mate, i have neither the time nor the inclination to give some bullshit bulletpoint list of why youre wrong. Pandora's box though, seriously... get a clue... or don't- no concern of mine.

[liszt-essence]

It's not OK to not like Bach.  Mozart is not "OK" either but he gets the hate. 

Liszt is absolutely hated in Europe.  If you play Liszt in Europe you get kicked out.  That's Liszt Hate.  Therefore, it's not OK to hate Liszt.  See? 

Confusing, confused , but respectful,

Daniel

Eh?

[dnephi]

I would wish to apologise from all the misunderstandings about the word 'hate' in the title, and would like to change it to dislike, instead. I understand the the word 'hate' is a much too negative word to use in this everlasting field of music (classical music).

ihatepop

(Any smart remarks about my username and I'll BURN you!!!)

Hate's a bit strong to use, eh?  I like some pieces from each category on this list and often the piece itself very much :p.

(Sorry, temptation was too great.)

[sauergrandson]

Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" & Beethoven's "Wellington's Victory."  Hate them both. 

Are you Russian?

[ihatepop]

Are you Russian?

He's most likely from florida.

ihatepop

(or maybe the 'flor' in his username has nothing to do with that.)

[ccnokes]

i hate pop

[ihatepop]

i hate pop

Oh, you too?

ihatepop

[mephisto]

Feinberg; Piano Sonata no1. Thank God for the rest of them.

[nakedape]

i seriously start to hate a piece when i hear argerich (especially among some others) play it. but OF COURSE, i'm the only the one in the world that would say that.

[shortyshort]

I know I'll probably get a lot abuse for this, but I "dislike" pieces that are just a mixed up jumble of random chords played loud and fast.
 
Shorty

[donjuan]

I know I'll probably get a lot abuse for this, but I "dislike" pieces that are just a mixed up jumble of random chords played loud and fast.
 
Shorty

hahaha the ignorance is beautiful!  But I absolutely agree with you; I hate music that requires a university degree to understand.

[chopiabin]

My initial reaction to most of Debussy is one of irritation - there are a few pieces I like ( L'isle Joyeux, La catedral engloutie), but most of it feels too "pastel", which seems to be what Debussy intended.

Much of Liszt I find to be bomastic pyrotechnics, and, though it is often technically "impressive", it often comes off as being overly-sentimental, cloying, and somewhat vulgar.

Really hate the Fantaisie Impromptu - Chopin didn't want it published because it quotes Beethoven's Moonlight 3rd mvmnt and Chopin felt it was in bad taste. Not only that, but the piece is mostly frantic buzzing that quickly goes from annoying to irritating to boring. If all the people who want to learn the FI would instead choose an etude, there would be a lot more variety at recitals and talent shows, not to mention many more talented pianists. 

[shortyshort]

My initial reaction to most of Debussy is one of irritation.

Agreed, most of it sounds like "lift" music to me. ("lift" is English for "elevator")

Shorty.