Our female Tim Hoffman.. hehe

[ce nedra]

https://www.myleeneklass.co.uk/

Need I say more.

[lau]

it's worse than hofmann

[ahinton]

Oh, I don't know - at least the "Diary" and "News" sections of this Klass act's website have the virtue of being blank...

Best,

Alistair

[dnephi]

Holy cow that's so bad lol.

[thierry13]

It sounds more like Maksim to me. In fact, it IS exactly Maksim to me.

[instromp]

It sounds more like Maksim to me. In fact, it IS exactly Maksim to me.

That's the same thing i was thinking,a female Maksim.

[prometheus]

At least Hoffman had personality.

[ahinton]

This kind of thing is, however, dismayingly common nowadays at a time when even fine musicians of the order of Nicola Benedetti allow themsevles to be subjected to the kind of marketing/PR that is plainly far better suited to the Hayley Westenras of this demi-mone than to a young violinist that gave a pretty amazing account (for someone barely in her mid-'teens) of Szymanowski's First Violin Concerto. I have not the faintest idea how this Klassikal pianist plays, although the text on her site is of a level of intelligence that seems more than enough to prompt the most serious misgivings in advance of actual aural evidence.

Best,

Alistair

[arensky]

Uh, Myleene has some competition.....


https://www.lorieline.com/

[jas]

Christ, how can she do that with a straight face? What an incredible arse. I can't stand that kind of pseudo-classical crossover crap. She seems to be under the impression that people are impressed by her "artistry". Classic FM isn't doing itself any favours playing this rubbish. Her website says that the album entered the classical charts at no.2. What the hell do they need classical charts for? Well, people like her, I suppose, whose PR machine cons people into thinking they're good.

And what is with that bloody fan?

Jas

[ahinton]

Christ, how can she do that with a straight face? What an incredible arse. I can't stand that kind of pseudo-classical crossover crap. She seems to be under the impression that people are impressed by her "artistry". Classic FM isn't doing itself any favours playing this rubbish. Her website says that the album entered the classical charts at no.2. What the hell do they need classical charts for? Well, people like her, I suppose, whose PR machine cons people into thinking they're good.

And what is with that bloody fan?

Jas

I'm with you most of the way here - except the first bit; she doesn't HAVE a straight face - in fact, whoever does her make-up seems more notable for his/her sense of humour than for any ability as a make-up artist...

Best,

Alistair

[avetma]

Unbeliveable

[jakev2.0]

https://www.myleeneklass.co.uk/

Meh, I would.

[opus10no2]

What an incredible arse

I do agree with you there. 

[pianowolfi]

I do agree with you there. 

Seconded.

[pianolist]

What an incredible arse.

I dissent. I watched the whole video in lascivious expectation of Marilyn Monroe's wiggle, but to no avail. But I am 58, and I should know better.

I hope Ligeti's estate has received a kickback from the excerpt with the metronomes.

[ahinton]

What an incredible arse.

Myleene Klass -
"An incredible arse"?
"Jas" is a poet
And doesn't know it...

Best,

Alistair

[pianolist]

Myleene Klass -
"An incredible arse"?
"Jas" is a poet
And doesn't know it...

Go to the bottom of the Klass!

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

The forum mindset is sure egotistical, or at least really insecure. For one, don't put down or in any way humiliate any sort of performing artist until you are at least as advertised, or represented in any public way as they are. Do you have your own videos? Do you have your own supporters? If so then please ignore what I write here. Assuming that you don't, then your degrading posts concerning such artists (or "artists"), to me, seem like pompous remarks by the insecure, only to feed the ego.

However, with all due respect, I do find her "performance" a sheer joke though. That is however not a reason to put anyone down.

[debussy symbolism]

https://www.myleeneklass.co.uk/

Need I say more.

That is outright disgusting. Poor Bach piece. Poor "Toccata and Fugue", That is outright contortion! How could anyone reduce themselves to such puerile antics? I am glad that I haven't seen Tim von Hofman's videos. That is an insult to music!

[debussy symbolism]

What I previously mentioned about not making fun of such "artists", I do beg of you to ignore. The hip-hop artists are plenty rich and popular, but yet full of....

It does however satisfy the community, so might as well be socially acceptable. That is how the "pop" society functions however, with only a slight hint of value(if any) and the rest advertisement and enticement, to the great delight of the general public though.

[opus10no2]

Actually I enjoyed this chilled techno arrangement.
The only thing I don't like is the categorization of this as being actual 'classical music', and the public's perception that 'if a piece of pop music is based on a classical work, it is classical music'.

[debussy symbolism]

If it's in any way changed, especially with a hint of "techno" style, it is in no way "classical".

[opus10no2]

Correctly. But I still think it is good music, if judged without pretense.

[debussy symbolism]

Correctly. But I still think it is good music, if judged without pretense.

Why do I get the impression that you are actually a member of this forum, formally known as "Stevie"?

[opus10no2]

A cheetah can never disguise himself as a tortoise.

[debussy symbolism]

A cheetah can never disguise himself as a tortoise.

.........until it tears off it's shell and uses it..........

I am nearly certain it is you, Stevie.

[opus10no2]

Your rapaciousness is not becoming.

And what's more ; the efficacy of your entreaty is indubitably highly dubitable.

[debussy symbolism]

Your rapaciousness is not becoming.

And what's more ; the efficacy of your entreaty is indubitably highly dubitable.

I am in no way trying to sound rapacious, if you will. And that is indubitable, if you will. Whether my "supplication" is in fact efficient can be debated, but I am quite convinced that you are in fact Stevie, because if you were't, then you wouldn't have gone to such lengths to oppose my inquiry, and you probably wouldn't have the "demon remains caged....for now" signature.

Those are just my ponderings.

[jas]

Greetings.

The forum mindset is sure egotistical, or at least really insecure. For one, don't put down or in any way humiliate any sort of performing artist until you are at least as advertised, or represented in any public way as they are. Do you have your own videos? Do you have your own supporters? If so then please ignore what I write here. Assuming that you don't, then your degrading posts concerning such artists (or "artists"), to me, seem like pompous remarks by the insecure, only to feed the ego.

Do most classical music critics have their own videos, record deals or "supporters"? Are most book critics Pulitzer Prize winners? Do you have to have a stint in politics under your belt to be able to criticise what your prime minister/president has been doing? No, and if these things were prerequisite to being "allowed" to criticise the work of others, professionally or not, there'd be very few critics/reviewers in the world. I don't need my own PR people, my own videos or record deals, or my own fake tan, fake hair and fake nails to be able to say what I believe to be true.
And what makes you think that a piece of (justifiably) negative criticism of some publicity-hungry, talent-starved person is nothing more than an ego massage? Like most people (Myleene being an exception), I'm my own harshest critic and I'm merely saying it as I see it. She's certainly massaging her own ego by allowing herself to be convinced (or convincing others) that she's some kind of major talent when, judging by that video, she's pretty obviously amateur at best.
I don't like the kind of music she performs because of the pretense behind it and the fact that people are taken in by it -- not because it's good; because they're TOLD it's good. And it's "classical music", so it must be good, mustn't it?

However, with all due respect, I do find her "performance" a sheer joke though. That is however not a reason to put anyone down.

You wouldn't say that calling her performance -- sorry, "performance" -- a joke is putting her down?

[zheer]

  Well you know in her biography it says that she studied at the Guild hall school of music and drama then gained a scholarship for the Royal Accademy of music where she graduated. Now for a pop/classical star thats very impressive.

[jas]

  Well you know in her biography it says that she studied at the Guild hall school of music and drama then gained a scholarship for the Royal Accademy of music where she graduated. Now for a pop/classical star thats very impressive.

Well, she's hidden it very well so far. Lots of people who go for crossover music as a career aren't bad musicians, they just pick fame and money over, well, prestige, I suppose. It's not even the fact that she's producing this crap, it's the fact that people are being conned into thinking it's some kind of classy undertaking that really bugs me.

[ahinton]

Go to the bottom of the Klass!

I surely don't need to GO there - or to to ordered to do so; I've just put myself firmly there by writing that most dreadful piece of doggerel, have I not?!...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

"Jas" makes a good deal of sense here. What the Myleens of this world present (or what the minions behind their rapacious PR machines get them to present) is a mere "commodity"; sadly, however, even the business of real music making is shot through these days with an alarming amount of commodification, as though "classical music" is nothing more than a piece of mechandise that you can just take off the supermarket shelf and consume at leisure so, in a way, if there is any value to the effusions of this miserably burgeoning plethora of Hayley Westenra substitutes, it is perhaps as a kind of pointer to this spreading danger, it seems to me (not that more than one in ten thousand of its "consumers" is likely to allow his/her mind to wander far enough to figure this out for him/herself, of course).

As soon as the first one of this breed successfuly and compellingly performs Alkan's Symphonie, Rakhmaninov's Second Sonata (original version, of course!), Liszt's and Lyapunov's Transcendental Studies, Szymanowski's Second Sonata and Busoni's Fantasia Contrappuntistica, I'll be happy to consider revising what I have written above - at least in respect of that one person...

The fact that they - and/or their said minions - may be making loadsamoney out of this kind of thing doesn't turn it into a virtuous or valuable activity, still less does it qualify it as an activity in a sector of the legitimate "classical music industry", so it is perfectly reasonable, as "Jas" states, for people to feel impelled to exercise their critical faculties in discussing it.

Best,

Alistair

[donjuan]

the maksimesque techno drum beat aspects are getting to me.. however, I'd rather watch her than von hofman..

[ada]

Actually I enjoyed this chilled techno arrangement.
The only thing I don't like is the categorization of this as being actual 'classical music', and the public's perception that 'if a piece of pop music is based on a classical work, it is classical music'.

I tend to agree.

You might as well embrace mashup culture. It has a life of its own. Like just about every other creative movement it's gonna produce some pearls and some shite.

At least she's better than Elvira.

[arensky]

Correctly. But I still think it is good music, if judged without pretense.

I agree, I enjoyed listening to it.  This does no harm to the original, and may (probably already has) create interest in classical music with people who might not have been exposed to it in any other way.

[ce nedra]

Well atleast she doesn't wear gloves, I must give her that.

Ok maybe some people like that whole sexy fallen-angel look.

This whole thing just makes me wonder what the destiny (or doom) is of Classical music as we know it.

[kempff1234]

gone are the days of cortot ...

[arensky]

gone are the days of cortot ...

...those days are gone forever, over a long time ago...  Steely Dan, "Pretzel Logic"


 

[jas]

What an incredible arse.

I've just realised how that looks. I wondered why so many people agreed with me...

Incredible idiot, then.

[opus10no2]

gone are the days of cortot ...

I think you'll find he looks the same now as he did in his lifetime.

[kempff1234]

I think you'll find he looks the same now as he did in his lifetime.

 

[pianolist]

It's a mark of how well he played when he was old, n'est-ce pas! 

Did you know, during the First World War he worked for the French government? Stravinsky, who lived in Switzerland, sent some manuscripts in the post to Paris, but they were waylaid by the censors, who often thought that sheet music was a fiendish attempt at sending code. Cortot sorted it all out.

[henrah]

As a track in itself, I quite like it. Though she does look a right idiot sexy-ing it up like that.
Henrah


I can imagine an endless stream of posts along the line of "Why do you like that rubbish/garbage/insult to classical music/*insert insult here*?"