The God Warrior

[donjuan]

In case you missed that infamous episode of Trading Spouses, here is your oppportunity to see the craziest woman on earth:

none of you are like that.... I hope?

[pianistimo]

at least she stands for something.  what if she said to her children - do whatever you want.  i think in parenting you have to take some responsibility for what you allow your family to do.  of course, easier said than done when they become older.  but, when they are little - you can sort of guide what they do and where they go and what they watch.

generally, the view of the harry potter generation is that the children are in charge and it's really little to moot point what the parents think.  they are somehow cast in the shadows and are of relatively little importance to their life.  as if they can figure out everything on their own. 

imo, a bit of guidance is need until about age 12 (when you know everything).  then you start making suggestions and hope for the best.  but, in some bigger decisions - that would be life protecting for instance - you tell them how it is.  for instance, my daughter who is turning 12 went to a dance at the YMCA (which is a chaperoned dance).  about 1/2 hour into the dance she calls and says 'we want to go to the highschool football game.'  i was assuming she meant that i would take her and her friend and be a chaperone.  come to find out - she wanted me to drop them off.  i said 'are you kidding me.'  so then she says 'well, at least drop my friend off.  her dad knows and will pick her up later.'  i said, 'no way.  i'm taking her home and her dad can take her to the game.'  they complained that i was old fashioned, etc. etc. - but i don't want to be the last person to see the girl. 

sometimes as a parent you just do what you gotta do.  i try not to make a big deal out of it.  but, i do stick to what i say as best as i can.  somehow 16 doesn't even seem that old anymore.  if the bible says 'satan goes around as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour' - he's not always polite and nice in the end.  sort of like the end of a drug addicts life.  completely unable to direct one's own life free from demonic influence.  it is allowing another being to direct and take over your thoughts by thinking that yours are not as good.  i say - liberty or death.  keep your thoughts your own and 'yes!' rebuke the devil for what he is.  a liar and a deciever from the beginning.  don't start down the path - and if you say 'yes' to one thing - rebuke it later and tell him to go away and that you have better things to do.  if there's one thing people don't need - it is satan's confusing influence in their lives.

ps i also believe that the scripture that says 'the peace of God - which passes all understanding - will keep your hearts and minds thru Christ Jesus.'  He doesn't possess us - but 'dwells in us' as a sort of guide to our thoughts.  we can choose to follow this guide or not - but it never says to us 'you MUST do this' - especially if it is hurtful to ourselves or others.

also, the Spirit of God gives you a feeling of 'rightness.'  not something to be necessarily overly proud of - but just joyful.  you know that there is no condemnation in being a child of God.  even if we slip - we can pray for forgiveness. with satan there is nothing but anger, revenge, hatred, and maliciousness.  no forgiveness.  he is the father of lies - and a murderer.

[prometheus]

I think I saw a little clip of this woman on Dutch tv. She is crazy. Parents lead by example. This kind of behavior will damage the children.


She stands up for something? You mean she uses the word 'god'. If someone stands up for killing fluffy animals will you say "Well, at least she stands up for something"?

If I believed in god I would be sure that this woman was possesed by the devil.

[pianistimo]

i think she is well intentioned - in that she does not want to allow something which is seemingly taking over without it being judgementally her decision as a parent.  if you allow your children to rule you -what use is it to be a parent?  i think parents have a right to make decisions - no matter what the media portrays parents as.

perhaps they use videos such as this to ridicule christian parents.  perhaps you need to see a clip of a family eating dinner together and talking.  there are many christian parents that do not get attention because their behavior with their family isn't necessarily 'newsworthy.'  and, yet - their children are blessed.  they avoid a lot of traumas that other children might go thru without parental protection.

ask any child living on the streets - 'if you were to do it again, would you listen to your parents?'  i bet they would.  the trade off is that children don't make the same decisions and don't understand where the choices lead.  for instance, if you let them get into demon worship - where will that lead?  possibly to satanic rituals and becoming actually posessed.  what parent would willingly want that for their child?

if more  people visited prisons, they'd know what satanism is about.  there are a lot of cults everywhere.  in california we had people who went around killing pets - beheading them and leaving the bodies out in the street for people to drive by.  if this isn't wierd thinking - or satanic - i really don't know what is.

[prometheus]

As I said, at least people killing pets stand for something... Their acts were probably well intended.

This is not just a christian parent. This also an insane one. This isn't a mere delusion. This isn't just: issues.

Of course reality tv isn't to be trusted, it can all be staged, acted and fake, but if this is real this person is just nuts.

It has nothing to do with letting children rule you or not. These childrens will get traumas.

[ada]

i think she is well intentioned -

she's not well intentioned pianistimo, she's obviously mentally ill.

She should be getting appropriate medical care,  not being exploited by reality TV.

All your talk about demons and satan and possession, it's all crazy talk too.

I am sure you are neither a psychotic paranoid delusional screeching harridan nor morbidly obese, but you sure sound like you go to the same church.

That woman's behaviour amounts to emotional child abuse. Did you see how terrified that little girl was? I'm sorry, I just can't believe you would defend that sort of conduct by a parent. That is downright evil.

[rob47]

just do what you gotta do.

Such true words; pianistimo you and i are perhaps now at peace

[pianistimo]

glad we're at peace, rob47.  i'm not arguing that this woman might have more issues than satan worship.  perhaps in her own life she had some difficulties and despite her good intentions - she cannot express them to her daughter in a softer way because she feels too passionately about what she is saying.  perhaps she has even had mental problems - but that doesn't negate her belief structure.  in fact, she might be a newer christian and having come out of things that badly affected her and not want it for her daughter.  Christ put out seven demons from mary magdalene.  He was not judgemental of people who were demon posessed.  but, in the bible - he warns us to protect our minds and keep them 'swept.'  otherwise, more come and take the place of the ones that left.  as i see it, our minds are precious property of ourselves and a 'temple' of the Holy Spirit.  the place where it resides.  if we value the Holy Spirit - we then realize that it cannot live with satan - so we cannot be double-minded.  the scripture that i quoted above about 'guard your hearts and minds thru Christ Jesus,' to me, means that if we are dwelling on His message (the bible) and thinking about things that are true, right, and pure - then Satan would not even want to dwell with us.  and, if He attempts to bother our thoughts or use someone to 'get' to us - we can rebuke Satan in Jesus name (whether out loud or quietly) and he will be forced to leave. 

ps what i find sort of interesting is that those who are critical of people who in real life (or even supposedly) cast out demons (using the example of Christ who rebuked even one of his disciples for letting Satan get to his mind - peter) criticize the fact that they believe it to be true - while satanists have 'incantations' much more ridiculous sounding and longer.  it's as though that god has to be persuaded by much ritual -whereas the one true God is straightforward and to the point.   

[ahinton]

As I do not have a sound facility on my computer I am unable to offer much comment, but even seeing the clip without sound suggests something pretty much akin to "ada"'s assessment. The world is not short of dangerous nutcases of all kinds.

Best,

Alistair

[Kassaa]

OMG, I can't actually believe that you are still defending such a brainwashing and brainwashed retard Pianistimo.

[prometheus]

I think Pianistimo isn't very different from the woman in the video.

[donjuan]

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[prometheus]

She must also be dying because of her obesity.

[pianistimo]

you guys know very little about statistics.  (so i, but no matter)  to have a sampling of a group you need more than one person. 

why don't you go around and ask other individuals on the forum what they believe and then set them up, too.  criticize their beliefs and make it that they don't listen to anyone else because they won't change their views. 

narrow mindsets don't allow anyone else to have a view.  i'm not sure exactly what your views even are donjuan.  you are so busy putting my views down that you don't say what YOu believe.  do you believe in God?  or are you in effect saying that you think worshipping Satan is A OK.  just remember, we are judged by our words at the ressurrection of the dead.  obviously, if a person does or doesn't believe this - it may or may not affect them right now.  but, later IF you find it true - you'll be eating the words of Christ himself - to REBUKE Satan instead of welcoming him.

[ramseytheii]

I was going to comment on your thing about evolution, but you edited it out the second I hit the quote button.  Any reason why, eh pianitisimo??   

Walter Ramsey

you guys know very little about statistics.  (so i, but no matter)  to have a sampling of a group you need more than one person. 

why don't you go around and ask other individuals on the forum what they believe and then set them up, too.  criticize their beliefs and make it that they don't listen to anyone else because they won't change their views. 

narrow mindsets don't allow anyone else to have a view.  i'm not sure exactly what your views even are donjuan.  you are so busy putting my views down that you don't say what YOu believe.  do you believe in God?  or are you in effect saying that you think worshipping Satan is A OK.  just remember, we are judged by our words at the ressurrection of the dead.  obviously, if a person does or doesn't believe this - it may or may not affect them right now.  but, later IF you find it true - you'll be eating the words of Christ himself - to REBUKE Satan instead of welcoming him.

[prometheus]

She is talking glibberish again.

[jpianoflorida]

ok.....why do people on the forum purposely bring things up to irritate pianistimo and make her go on the offensive?

1) they just enjoy controversy?

2) they enjoy upsetting her and trying to disrespect here beliefs?


There are a lot of us on this forum who are Christians who have strong beliefs, which are not fanatical.. we are choosing to not debate anymore since the real reasons for these subjects are not for debating or discussion but for others to put down our Christian beliefs.

[donjuan]

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[thalbergmad]

ok.....why do people on the forum purposely bring things up to irritate pianistimo and make her go on the offensive?

I love her to bits, but she does make herself an easy target.

I would be saddened if the intention of this thread was to irritate her.

Thal

[jpianoflorida]

if you really don't believe in God anymore...then why don juan do you even care to discuss the issue?  are you trying to persuade yourself that you really don't believe? maybe deep down you do believe and you are trying to convince yourself by logical means that you don't.    It's all about faith:you either have it or you don't!    I choose to have it!  

[prometheus]

ok.....why do people on the forum purposely bring things up to irritate pianistimo and make her go on the offensive?

Isn't she responsible for her own behavior? You seem to imply she isn't. Or do you mean we should just ignore a mentally ill person instead of making fun of her?

if you really don't believe in God anymore...then why don juan do you even care to discuss the issue?

What does belief have to do with it? Only Christians can respond to other Christians? One shouldn't question or ask what a christian says if the person itself isn't a Christian him/herself?

Why can't non-believers be interested in religion? Religion is such a huge part of the world. It also causes violence. Can't we oppose muslim terrorists when we don't believe Muhammed is god's prophet?

maybe deep down you do believe and you are trying to convince yourself by logical means that you don't. 

This doesn't make any sense.

Also, this isn't about religion or about god. But about a crazy person being abused for TV. And about a fellow crazy Christian defending her for no reason at all.

Even religious people should generally be reasonable enough to recognise there is something wrong with this woman.

Also, if someone 'put down' Christianity using arguments does it matter what the intention was? Either the arguments are wrong or right, strong or weak. Christianity should be 'put down' if reason demands it. Just like slavery, like nationalism, like xenophobia/racism, etc. And if the arguments are weak they can be countered.

If you want to avoid having your religion challenged; keep it private. If you think religion  shouldn't be challenged because it is religion; welcome in the 21th century. Every idea needs to be challenged. Otherwise we will have no idea how good or bad that idea is.

[shortyshort]

This woman is obviously as mad as a hatter. Children growing up within that atmosphere are going to be mentally scared for life. religion should not be forced upon anyone. My children are free to make up their own mind. if they ask me my view i will tell them, but add, "this is only my view, not yours". their grand father was a vicar, and they spoke to him on the subject too.

there is really no place for religion these days, because we can explain most things through science. we don't need a divine being to be responsible for all the things we didn't understand.

personally, my opinion only, i think that any truely sane person cannot believe in god. but if they do, and don't force their beliefs on other people, or harm people in the cause, let them get on with it.

Cheers,

Shorty

[prometheus]

I agree with you. But you need to be careful. I think religion is a delusion. But surely having a delusion doesn't mean they are insane. Sure, they aren't 'one hundred percent sane', but probably no one is.

[shortyshort]

yeah, i suppose its similar to the question, "are you normal?"

Shorty

[pianistimo]

i think that many people are influenced by the media and by what their peers think.  for Christians it is different.  that is what makes them appear different.  but, probably not as different as this woman.  the first tip that is off is the fact that she is willing to 'trade spouses.'  i don't think this was a good idea.  to spread the faith - one shouldn't even consider it.  but, people get stuck sometimes on making money - and perhaps this woman made some money - but she also made a point.  albeit - one in a state of anger.  there are several strikes against her - but who are we to choose if she is insane, or just angry, or bothered.  God is her judge.  nowdays the media puts all kinds of things on tv for us to just stare at and make judgements about.  it's kind of pointless.  i mean - it's almost on the same par as deciding who the next swimsuit models are going to be.  it's all a matter of perspective and what one finds 'beautiful.'

what if God doesn't look on outward appearance, perfection of being, or even complete understanding - as a basis for judgement.  what if He judges fairly and considers each of us right where we are?  perhaps He is much different than our harsh judgements of each other (and, yes, mine of the pope).  sometimes leaving judgement to God is the best - because who can really know a person's mind.  the media can portray anyone in a bad light.  or a good one (for a person who might be shady).

i think it is a misnomer to throw the 'baby out with the bathwater' because of the hypocricy that we see in many churches.  just because a few are hypocritical doesn't mean that God works in that way.  He is far beyond us in love.  so, if He made us to conform to His image - then we shouldn't worry about the media's image.

[jpianoflorida]

well pianistimo i guess you and i are insane since we believe there was a creator of this universe,instead of believing that everything just kinda "happened" and boom, here we are! Ok, i'll choose to be insane and be a Christian, how about you?

[shortyshort]

look, don't put yourself down. we are all entittled to our opinions, are we not??

Shorty

[pianistimo]

agreed with jpianoflorida and shortyshort.  i was meditating (i know, uh oh) - and was thinking about how people accused various disciples in Jesus day of being crazy.  it's really that the accusers acknowledge the government of God is a challenge to the entire world.  when Jesus was born - He was born to be King.  nowdays, democracy is most popular.  but, what if ... what if we will return to a monarchy.  but, this time - to one that is fair and just.  if you read the bible and believe what it says - you kinda see handel's point of composing the messiah.  everything will return to God (from which it was created - dust to dust) - and we don't really know our own outcomes excepting that we know God grants righteousness by faith.  how can any one of us determine our saneness - other than by the Word of God.

what i find interesting is that isaiah foretold Jesus coming as king - but not by assuming a position of authority, or dressing particularly well, or speaking loudly.  quite the opposite:
isa 42 'He will not cry out or raise His voice, nor make His voice heard in the street, a bruised reed He will not break, and a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish (He doesn't care about how poorly we give light - he just wants to see light); He will faithfully bring forth justice.  He will not be disheartened or crushed, until He has established justice in the earth; and the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law.'

but, when Christ returns he is His OWN warrior.  of course, he'll have tens of thousands of 'saints' with Him - but revelations says that He will return and every eye will see Him.   even the ones that pierced Him.  rev 19 'and i saw heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True; and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 

and His eyes are a flame of fire, and upon His head are many diadems; and He has a name written upon Him which no one knows except Himself.  And He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood; and His name is called The Word of God.  and the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.  and from His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may smite the nations; and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.  and on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "King of Kings, and Lord of Lords."

some of this dream of John's is probably symbolic - but we know that Jesus himself said that He would return to the earth. specifically to the mount of olives in jerusalem.  that every eye would see Him.  and, that it would be at a time when people least expect it - and that we should be 'awake' spiritually - and not fall asleep.  when He came the first time - his disciples fell asleep during the hours of prayer that He asked them to keep watch.  this, to me, is symbolic of the last days - when people will fall asleep and not recognize the times.  just as noah warned people - there are many ministries nowdays warning people that God is patient and longsufferring - but that His day of judgement is a not a figurative thing.  it is real and believable.  not something insane.  what we choose today - may affect and increase or limit our choices tommorrow. 

choose life and good.  that is always the choice God sets before us - but He never chooses for us.  otherwise people would say that He is a dictator.  But, in effect - the results for sinning are death - so there's not a whole lot of fudge room.  He's a good parent.  kind of like the ones that tell you - 'ok, if you don't want to live by the rules then you're out on the street.'  we might miss out on a long term relationship with our own Father the Creator - if we deny Him now.  at least consider His existence and how it might impact you in the future.

[jpianoflorida]

good points pianisitimo... think about these

what about the wright brothers?    Did people think they were crazy when they said they were going to build a machine that would fly?

how about Thomas Edison?

how about people in Jesus time: what if you told them we would build a spacecraft that would take us to the moon?     

Think about all the inventors and how people told them they were crazy and look at what they accomplished!


In all of these, someone had to have faith in what they believed!.

[shortyshort]

Yes, but they had faith in themselves, surely, not god.

Shorty

[pianistimo]

something else to think about is found in matthew13:6-37 - but specifically verse 13 - 'and you will be hated by all on account of My name, but the one that endures to the end, he shall be saved...'  right before this verse we have parents accusing children - and brothers accusing brothers - and children accusing parents - and them being persecuted for loving God.  it has and is already happening in many countries.  the Word of God is a threat to governments that want to be 'world' dominating.

[jpianoflorida]

Yes, but they had faith in themselves, surely, not god.

Shorty

how do you know that?

[shortyshort]

What's that all about???

I'm very sorry, but why do religious people always quote from their big book?

And, jp, how do you know they had faith in god???

Shorty

P.S. I don't want to fall out with anyone here. (just my opinions)

[jpianoflorida]

What's that all about???

I'm very sorry, but why do religious people always quote from their big book?

And, jp, how do you know they had faith in god???

Shorty

P.S. I don't want to fall out with anyone here. (just my opinions)

I don't know they had faith anymore than you know they didn't have faith in God.

[pianowolfi]

Ok i admit I don't really understand why exactly this lady is so exasperated. I simply don't understand what she's talking about. She's nutty as a fruitcake, that's what I think. She needs to calm down. If that is a permanent state of her she needs professional help. And if the people around her are her family they also need professional help.

[shortyshort]

the god warrior or jp??

Shorty

[thalbergmad]

I think i need professional help after reading this thread.

Thal

[pianistimo]

i viewed the video quite a while ago - and my impression was that she did not want others to influence her or her daughter - to believe in the occult.  i believe she is right.  she may seem crazy because of her mannerisms - but her points are good ones.  she doesn't want to defer her right as a parent to make decisions that are correct for her own family - even though she has no authority over another person's family (which is right).

suppose that it is the same for christians today.  we cannot tell others how to live - but if they challenge us or our views - at least we can stand up for what we believe is right.  as you get older you realize that if you make no stand at all - you are basically agreeing with the status quo.  people in jeremiah's day must have thought he was out of his mind when he pulled some people's hair.  i forget what it was over - but i remember the pulled hair part.  he was trying to get them to listen to God because God allowed him to see the future of their choices.  i don't know any prophet who has gone that far today - but it does say that in the 'last days' there will be two witnesses who will speak the Word of God - (rev 11:6) 'these have the power to shut up the sky, in order that rain may not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to smite the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.'  this all seems very strange behavior to us today - but what if it is no different than the plagues of egypt (which we given for worshipping false gods and the stubborness of the pharoah not to let the israelites worship the one true God). 

this seems like superstition to us - until we realize that God is King over the entire physical universe.  to turn water into anything He likes is no great feat.  when He walked the earth He turned it to wine.

what seems crazy to us - is just reality for God.  He has power.  He uses it for good.  If we listen to Him we are on the winning team.  and yes, it is something to have fear for (although i fail to see where 'asses' come in).  i mean if you are only worried about your 'ass' - then you'll probably go and do something that makes your 'ass' feel like it has a place in the world.  but - i don't think God is only concerned about our 'asses.'  i think he's thinking entire bodies.

[shortyshort]

Is the occult much different to christianity?

Shorty

[thalbergmad]

Is the occult much different to christianity?

Shorty

You are gonna get a long response to that one old chap.

Thal

[shortyshort]

hello thab,

oh well, I just want them to see that we all have the right to think for ourselves.

How do they know that they aren't actually worshiping the wrong thing??

Shorty

[shortyshort]

thalb, sorry

Shorty

[prometheus]

...instead of believing that everything just kinda "happened" and boom, here we are!

Saying this is the religious equivalent of atheists saying: "You believe in satan."
What you describe is exactly the opposite of what science says.

And science and atheism are two totally different things. Atheism doesn't depend on science one bit.

I also don't understand how you can critizise those that critisize insane people, not even religious people, because scientists had the same faith that an average religious person had. First off, we weren't even talking about religion.

Second, science never made any progress because people wanted to keep 'faith' in their dogma's. This means that they couldn't be challenged. Science challenges everything.

If a scientist has faith then this person may end up wasting his or her entire career. Look at string theory right now. Some people 'believe' in string theory. It is very probable that string theory is a complete dead end. If so then all the people in the field all wasted their effort. They will never find out anything.

If you have too much faith you can't do an experiment. In science it is not that easy to really understand something. It takes a lot of critical thinking, thinking outside the box. It is so easy to fool yourself. Humans are so superstitious it is very hard to avoid. Even the smartest people in history made these kinds of mistakes. Some of the smartest people in the world have absurd non-religious delusions.

[pianistimo]

i think christians are the most likely ones to believe that satan truly exists.  if people who dabble in the occult actually thought he did exist - they probably wouldn't experiment.  i don't seek to condemn athiests or say that they would even believe that satan exists either.  i have a friend back in arizona who studies astronomy and different things and agrees to disagree with me on religious issues.  he just doesn't see God the way i do.  i see God in everything.  i see God as what is holding the entire universe together.  he sees only the physical realities and isn't sure how it all came together, if there is a God, and wants proof.

even one of the disciples didn't believe Christ until he saw the wounds in Christ's hands.  but, there is a blessing in the bible for those who believe in faith.  faith seems like a crazy thing.  agreed.  prometheus is simply stating what he feels is obvious to him.  we can't see God - therefore He is not.  but, we cannot see electricity.  we cannot see wind.  we know that they have properties - and we can feel them.  God, to me, is the same.  we pray for protection, wisdom, healing, etc. - and when we see direct answers we think 'hmm.  let's try that again.'  so after a few hundred times - we say 'this is very cool.'

i don't worship God just to get answers to prayer - but because i have realized His immense love for every being that He has created.  we are created in His image and are basically His children.  He can do much more for us than our physical parents could ever dream.  He can recieve us from the dead.  He has power over death.  also, i believe that He created a future for us after death.

[jpianoflorida]

I have a strong faith in God..I personally know he exists! I have no doubt.   I am however bowing out of this discussion because it's really pointless.   It's been interesting.

[shortyshort]

to me, what people call "God", is just nature.

 

I personally know he exists! I have no doubt.

How do you know that?? I can just as easily say "I know he/she does not exist".

prometheus is simply stating what he feels is obvious to him.  we can't see God - therefore He is not.

You can't see god, yet you believe he is! why is this? Because you've been told to.

Shorty

[prometheus]

It is not that one cannot see god. It is that god has no observable influence on our reality; which makes her existance basically irrelevant.

Since there is no evidence one has to assume she doesn't exist.

[pianistimo]

for me it has been life experiences leading me to know Christ.  i believe, as jpianoflorida believes, that i truly have a connection in prayer and bible reading to God.  i don't see visions, or feel that kind of connection - but i do feel 'inspiration.'  it's hard to explain as anything but joy.  happiness in any sort of situation - good or bad.  if it is good - i attribute it to God's blessing.  if it is bad - i feel that God expects me to rely on Him for help when i have done all that i can to remedy the situation.  i don't think that God is a 'cureall' formula.  i think he likes creativity, spontenaity, work...but also - that we would pray and ask for advice.  nothing really less than a parent would ask.  that we not neglect Him in our lives and pretend He isn't there.  obviously, to me, if He weren't there - we wouldn't be here.  nothing lives, in my understanding, without God first having made it alive.

[shortyshort]

Is your God the same God as the Muslim God???

If so, then why are you killing each other about it??

If not, are there two Gods?? Or more??

Shorty

[prometheus]

Of course it's the same god. Muslims also follow Christ. Its one of the most important prophets of the god of Abraham in their eyes. They just think Jesus was a human, not 1/3 of the triad.

Still, there are thousands of other gods.