The God Warrior

[shortyshort]

Still, there are thousands of other gods.

I'm glad about that. I wouldn't want to think I was just ignoring only one God. I can sleep soundly tonight.

And so to bed, Goodnight all.

Shorty

[pianowolfi]

the god warrior or jp??

Shorty

Gosh, the god warrior of course!

[pianistimo]

God doesn't really need anyone to be a warrior for Him.  He's beyond our reach and scope.  we're smaller than ants to him.  and, yet, He came to be with us for a little while on this earth.  that shows supreme love.  also, He willingly let us kill him 'as a sheep to the slaughter.'  that's how much we appreciated it the first time.  the second time - i believe - will be earth shattering.  no one will deny God's power at the judgement according to the bible - as 'every knee will bow.'  i believe that is why God made our knees in the first place.  too bad He has to make us bow - when we should be lovingly worshipping him willingly for all the good He does and for being gracious to us.

and, yes, I believe the one true God is Allah of the muslims.  the Great One of the indians.  the Mighty Spirit.  i do not believe buddism - because obviously that 'god' is stone.  buddah is nothing but an idol.  we are told not to worship god's made of wood or stone - but a God not made by human hands.  seems a rather stupid thing to worship something created anyways.  especially, if we came first - and then created it.  i think people like things to hang on to and feel - beads, statues, pictures - but God is above it all.  He says to worship him in spirit and in truth.

[shortyshort]

according to the bible - as 'every knee will bow.'  i believe that is why God made our knees in the first place.

Sorry, if you really believe that then you really are as mad as the "God Warrior"

I thought it was so we didn't walk around like penguins.

Shorty

[donjuan]

God doesn't really need anyone to be a warrior for Him.  He's beyond our reach and scope.  we're smaller than ants to him.  and, yet, He came to be with us for a little while on this earth.  that shows supreme love.  also, He willingly let us kill him 'as a sheep to the slaughter.'  that's how much we appreciated it the first time.  the second time - i believe - will be earth shattering.  no one will deny God's power at the judgement according to the bible - as 'every knee will bow.'  i believe that is why God made our knees in the first place.  too bad He has to make us bow - when we should be lovingly worshipping him willingly for all the good He does and for being gracious to us.

and, yes, I believe the one true God is Allah of the muslims.  the Great One of the indians.  the Mighty Spirit.  i do not believe buddism - because obviously that 'god' is stone.  buddah is nothing but an idol.  we are told not to worship god's made of wood or stone - but a God not made by human hands.  seems a rather stupid thing to worship something created anyways.  especially, if we came first - and then created it.  i think people like things to hang on to and feel - beads, statues, pictures - but God is above it all.  He says to worship him in spirit and in truth.

you preach and you preach and you preach.  and it's pointless because you are completely devoid of reason, and are incapable of staying on topic.  Sorry, I thought we could have a rational discussion here, but that seems to be impossible..

I think Pianistimo isn't very different from the woman in the video.

when I read this, I immediately agreed.  However, I wanted pianistimo to say something to make me think otherwise.  Something like "that woman's out of her ***ing mind, and she is an insult to christians everywhere."  No such luck..

i do not believe buddism - because obviously that 'god' is stone.  buddah is nothing but an idol.

Of course you don't believe it; youre a christian!  But can't you see that you see Buddhism the same way athiests see christianity?

I remember in another thread, you also expressed your objection to voodoo magic and how they don't wear enough clothes in Africa.  and now you bash Buddhism.  You are insensitive to others' cultures, yet you expect everyone to listen to what you have to say.

Good day, God Warrior.

[shortyshort]

Yes,

I was on this thread for ages last night, and not once was there a "well, I may be wrong, but this is my opinion", Just , "I know I'm right, you are all wrong".

I know all Christians are not like that, but the ones that are, are very annoying bigots.

Shorty

[pianistimo]

either you believe in the one TRUE God or you believe in false gods made of imagination, wood, and stone.  why would i want to say that i don't believe what i believe.  why do you want so badly to put me in a bad light for simply believing what i do?  i am only answering your questions.  i did not start this thread.  in fact, i don't recall starting any religious thread.  btw, i do not look like or act like the woman you mentione d- but i feel you are insensitive to people who are disabled or mentally unstable - using them as a comparison to all christians is also very unfair.

what if i used a monk who was 99 to represent buddism.  what if he mutterred nonsense.  would that be a representative of the buddist faith in totality.  i think you all are the ones without reason.  take a better sampling of the people you are talking about.  and, don't judge them for having an opinion.

it is not my place to tell people what to believe or not believe - so why should i offer apologies.  how do i know if i've affected anyone's personal decision.  we all have the right to free speech.  are you saying now that religious people have no right to talk because they are all 'mental.'  i think you lack an understanding of first amendment rights.  did you know that the founding father's of usa often talked (though not all agreed on religion) about religious topics and the bible.  in fact, the first printing of the bible here was an act of congress.  nowdays 'shame shame' to have any sort of belief in God.  i'm sorry - but i don't buy it.  go and convince others at university.  you'll have more luck - because what is popular is what is right.

[prometheus]

Buddhism isn't a religion. They don't have gods or supernatural powers. It is like Taoism and confucianism.

[pianistimo]

budda, duh.  that's who started it.  worshipping budda.

[lisztisforkids]

budda, duh.  that's who started it.  worshipping budda.

 
 Ignorant.

[pianistimo]

my bro was in thailand for a couple of years.  i'm aware of buddism and that they are into 'mysticism.'  also, there are altars to budda where candles are lit and prayers are said.  what is the problem? as i see it - the question is - is your 'god' real?  if he/she is to you - i suppose that's all that matters.

the elijah of the bible took the prophets of baal to task one day and said - 'ok.  if your god/s are real - then prove it.  they offerred many sacrifices.  cut themselves.  did many things to appease the 'gods.'  some things were similar to christianity - but more involved.  more self flagellating.  religous appearing.  robes, etc. 

did you know that God sees through all this.  i'm not here to say anything more than what you are asking me.  prove your god/s are real!  what makes them real to you?  how can you go to a god for 'refuge' (as buddism claims) if you claim that you aren't even worshipping a god?
 

[prometheus]

Don't you understand that I also see through all this as well.


You already told that story about Elijah many times. It's a story. So what?

[pianowolfi]

my bro was in thailand for a couple of years.  i'm aware of buddism and that they are into 'mysticism.'  also, there are altars to budda where candles are lit and prayers are said.  what is the problem? as i see it - the question is - is your 'god' real?  if he/she is to you - i suppose that's all that matters.

Well I'm not a Buddhist. But am sympathizing with Buddhism. For me Buddha is not a God but a very wise human being. And he is not made from stone, he was a man of flesh and blood. So i think it is no question if you worship him or not but a question if you can have any benefit from what he taught.

[pianistimo]

there are benefits to some of what he/she teaches because some is biblically based.  the other part is anti-Christ.  does that sound warriorish?  anti-Christ because it is denying Christ his place as God and substititing a false god.  no matter - because in the end - we will see who's God is most powerful.  i challenge you all.  the real God or the false gods.  it's a duel at the end of time.  who's can save you?  the thoughts of a man - or the true thoughts of the true God? 

no more posting for me, as i feel passionate about Christianity - but i also acknowledge that what goes around comes around naturally.  perhaps you'd like to call it karma.  i call it blessing or cursing and that God is aware of our thoughts, our speech, and our actions and i believe is intimately involved in our lives more than we realize.  we don't need to meditate Him to action in us - because if we are baptized into Christ - He is already actively and powerfully working in us for good.  for salvation.  there is no other god that offers salvation.

buddist faith offers cyclical rebirths.  reincarnation.  i do not believe this because i've not fully been convinced that someone has actually lived another life.  if you told me, i was a cow, and then a ...whatever - i'd probably laugh and tell you you're insane.  so that's where we stand.  i think you're crazy - you think i'm crazy. who is crazy?

[pianowolfi]

there are benefits to some of what he/she teaches because some is biblically based.  the other part is anti-Christ.  does that sound warriorish?  anti-Christ because it is denying Christ his place as God and substititing a false god.  no matter - because in the end - we will see who's God is most powerful.  i challenge you all.  the real God or the false gods.  it's a duel at the end of time.

Sorry pianistimo, you know I like you very much but here I need to disagree. Buddha lived 600 years before Christ, so nothing that he said can be "Anti-Christ".

[prometheus]

There is nothing in Buddhism that denies god. There are many buddhists that are also christians.

There are many buddhist spiritual leaders that tell you to become a Christian; for example the Daila Lama.

[pianowolfi]

There is nothing in Buddhism that denies god. There are many buddhists that are also christians.

There are many buddhist spiritual leaders that tell you to become a Christian; for example the Daila Lama.

Well said!

[pianistimo]

if they are truly Christian - (and, i don't doubt that God will call them at some later point because perhaps they are more humble than true Christians) - they will not deny Christ.

pianowolfi, if Christ calls himself the Word of God - then He existed from eternity.  He was born a man -but existed before He was born. 

i realize this all seems semantic - but to me - and probably for buddists - it is real. it is definite.  and it is one way.  buddists would probably say the same.  no thank you Jesus Christ - i want to find my own eight ways to perfection (or whatever 'steps' they follow).  these are not biblically prescribed steps from Christ.  Christ did not say anything about karma.  or luck.  or any such thing.  but, He does say that if we deny that He is God, that He came in the flesh, and that He is the Word (who existed from eternity) and was ressurrected back to His Father in heaven - as the 'firstfruits' of those that are called - then - we are not Christian.

[donjuan]

there are benefits to some of what he/she teaches because some is biblically based.  the other part is anti-Christ.  does that sound warriorish?  anti-Christ because it is denying Christ his place as God and substititing a false god.  no matter - because in the end - we will see who's God is most powerful.  i challenge you all.  the real God or the false gods.  it's a duel at the end of time.  who's can save you?  the thoughts of a man - or the true thoughts of the true God? 

Sorry pianistimo, you know I like you very much but here I need to disagree. Buddha lived 600 years before Christ, so nothing that he said can be "Anti-Christ".

pianowolfi, if Christ calls himself the Word of God - then He existed from eternity.  He was born a man -but existed before He was born. 

wow, this is like a chess match..

only pianistimo keeps changing the rules to avoid having to admit she's been pwnd.

[pianistimo]

changing the rules.  i'm following yours.  you started this thread with the intention of not following it through.

[thalbergmad]

changing the rules.  i'm following yours.  you started this thread with the intention of not following it through.

Following through can be very dangerous.

It happened to me once in a posh restaurant.

Thal

[pianowolfi]

if they are truly Christian - (and, i don't doubt that God will call them at some later point because perhaps they are more humble than true Christians) - they will not deny Christ.

pianowolfi, if Christ calls himself the Word of God - then He existed from eternity.  He was born a man -but existed before He was born. 

i realize this all seems semantic - but to me - and probably for buddists - it is real. it is definite.  and it is one way.  buddists would probably say the same.  no thank you Jesus Christ - i want to find my own eight ways to perfection

You probably mean The Noble Eightfold Path:

    * Wisdom

    1. Right understanding
    2. Right intention

    * Ethical conduct

    3. Right speech
    4. Right action
    5. Right livelihood

    * Mental discipline

    6. Right effort
    7. Right mindfulness
    8. Right concentration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eightfold_Path

Nothing in these rules seems to contradict the Bible imo.

[pianistimo]

pianowolfi,  if someone were my neighbor and was a buddist - i wouldn't bother 'enlightening' them.  there are many positives in these ideas.  and, i truly do believe that people should mind their own business.  also, i know that many people who believe differently than i are good people.  i'm not challenging that.  i'm challenging the core of their beliefs only to those on this thread.

since you ask -  what they lack, imo, is a belief structure of where we go after death.  they believe in reincarnation.  minor difference, i guess, to those who want to combine christianity and buddism.  but, if you are realistic about combining religions - you can't have both equally.  something has to give.  in this case - Jesus is reduced to a prophet that really has less say than buddha.  i don't think He wants us to reduce Him in stature.  in fact, how can He even compare to a MAN.  if buddha was once a man - He must have challenged people to worship not only his ideas but himself.  i dare you to find out the history of this man and if he did not try to get people to worship him.  why else would they keep his portrait and statues so long?  just like Christ ( although i believe he told us not to worship anything made by human hands)  - excepting that Christ told us that He would return to the earth.  is buddha returning?  no.  we are supposed to do the returning - to another spirit.  i think this is mysticism. and mysticism leads somewhere else.  it's origin is in paganism.

[prometheus]

But reincarnation is not part of buddhism. It is part of the religion that exists in countries with a lot of buddhist people.

As you see how the noble eightfold path is defined, it is not clear what 'right'-something they mean. What is 'right' and what is 'wrong'?
They are also not commandments. No one is ordering you to follow them.

[pianistimo]

part of the buddists in japan adhere to the zen philosophy - and they do not get married and do not eat meat.  the 'true pure land' philosophy - you CAN get married and eat meat.  how can buddha be so divided?  also, there is no prerogative in the bible that a 'minister' of God should not be married.  in fact, paul himself encouraged it.  why? so men would not be tempted when with other men, or women.  supposedly, it is a sign of holiness (such as nuns and monks of other faiths) - but there is nowhere in the bible that says you are more holy if you don't have sex.  the idea that sex is a sin is not actually found in the bible.  only the eating of the tree of the 'knowledge of good and evil' and adam and eve finding out they were naked.  they had already had sex, imo.  and probably had a ripping good time.   i don't think God minded.  if he created them for each other and then said 'no sex'  - He would be one wierd God.  especially since they saw the animals doing it all around them.

perhaps, in my limited understanding of buddism i think it's crazy.  if you live a good life - you miss being reborn over and over.  i guess that is the gist.  so - in buddism death is better than life?  i just don't get it ?  if you are good - you go into nothingness.  ok.  that's what they believe - but why do the bad (bad karma people) get reborn over and over.  i think that's a crazy idea.

there are many other things that i do not agree with - but i'll just save it.  this is my perspective and certainly nothing that i would pick up a samuri sword over.

ps i believe Christ did not get married because He knew that He was going to die and didn't want to leave a widow.  also, He is the husband of the church (bride) and His destiny isn't toward a woman (made as mankind) but the woman/man's destiny is toward Him (being god-like beings - above the angels).  in several places in the bible it mentions that 'crowns' await us.  for what?  not the eightfold steps.  for teaching the words of Jesus and not altering them.

[prometheus]

The idea is to eliminate suffering. To do this you have to eliminate lust because if you don't want to have anything you can't be unhappy. You will have everything.

Why do they get reborn? Because life is suffering. Especially with a consciousness like we have. Life is a puzzle that cannot be solved.

[pianistimo]

i certainly don't suffer when i have sex.  i think it's a matter of perspective.  in my religion - there's no need to suffer needlessly thinking that you're avoiding it.  i mean - once someone told me he hadn't had sex in three years or something like that.  i said...'oh,  that's your problem.'  but, obviously, it seemed to him that it was.  now, why would one cause more sufferring to themselves to avoid it?

i still don't 'get it.'

[prometheus]

That's exactly the point. You don't make a problem out of it.

If you have sex then you will probably think that you need it. So this means you create longing/suffering for sex that needs to be filled/neutralised.

To Christianity the human body is something sinful and the soul is something holy. So the mind needs to force the body into submission. In buddhism it is different. Buddhism doesn't teach that it is wrong to suffer. It only says that if you want to get rid of suffering then buddhism is one of the ways you can take.

Obviously when you stop having sex but while you still long for it it is no use. You need to stop longing for sex. Otherwise you will only torture your body and get the sexual problems that Christianity has.

So when you stop longing for sex it no longer is an issue. It won't matter if you have a lot of sex and no sex at all.

[pianistimo]

i think you can take repression too far.  but, then again - there's not a lot of it in our society.  the fact that a person has standards, etc. seems right and good.  but, why put burdens on everyone around you - to hold to the same?  why is buddism a 'religion' and not something that one person chooses for himself or herself.  it seems like a millstone for everyone to be sexually repressed.  are you sure these monks can all handle it.  is there some kind of test to see which ones might not be able to withstand the pressure.  what happens if they make a mistake?  then they know that they're going to be karmalized?  or, do they make sure of it by neutering them?

[penguinlover]

This is a bothersome thread to me.  I admire Pianistimo's patience with it all.  She posts very clearly and elaborately, and tries her very best to answer every question with honesty and doesn't skirt issues.  She gives it her all, thanks.  Since you say it so well, the rest of us don't have to.

Anyway, I would like to respond to many things here, but I won't.  I just would like to say that everyone has a knowledge of God within them, no one is a true atheist.  It says that in Romans 1:19.  "because that which is known about God is evident within them, for God made it evident to them."  God puts the knowledge of Him within every human being.  Now, you can chose what to do with that knowledge.  Many try their best to ignore it, hoping it will go away.  But it doesn't.

Another thing that bugs me is all this talk about religion.  Jesus himself didn't come to offer a religion. That's  man's way of trying to reach God.  Jesus came to offer us a relationship with God, God reaching down to man.  Jesus wasn't too impressed with the religion of his day either.

There is only one true God, but men will make anything a god as a substitute for the real One.  So you are right in saying there are many gods.  Just remember, they are man made and have no power.  Only God is God, and deep down, everyone knows that.

There.  I have said my peace, at least for now.

[penguinlover]

Just one more thing:  I don't think I have seen the media or television acurately portray a Christian.  Don't make up your mind about Christians by what you see there.  Mostly, the media has it wrong.  Sure there are crazies out there,  there always will be. But just because someone calls themselves Christian doesn't mean they are.  The term Christian just mean "little Christ",  an imitator of Christ.   A true Christian has had a heart change, not a religious title.

[jpianoflorida]

Just one more thing:  I don't think I have seen the media or television acurately portray a Christian.  Don't make up your mind about Christians by what you see there.  Mostly, the media has it wrong.  Sure there are crazies out there,  there always will be. But just because someone calls themselves Christian doesn't mean they are.  The term Christian just mean "little Christ",  an imitator of Christ.   A true Christian has had a heart change, not a religious title.

I wasn't going to post in this thraed anymore but I can't resist!  EXCELLENT posts penguinlover!  extremely accurate and good posts!

[pianistimo]

i have one more thing to add, and that is the command that God gave in genesis for noah's family - 'be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.'  that is because God wants a family.  a religion which represses marriage, sex, and family - is not bibilically based.  basically that is negating the commands of paul in the NT so that people will not fall into 'temptation.' 

Christ never tells us to avoid sufferring, either.  in fact, He makes it quite clear that 'through sufferring' Christ entered into the kingdom (as King) and that we should be willing to suffer for the gospels sake.  the gospel is summed up in matthew 25 'for i was hungry, and you gave me something to eat; i was thirsty and you gave me drink; i was a stranger and you took me in; naked , and you clothed me; i was sick and you visited me; i was in prison and you came to me... and theKing answered truly i say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'

this is the best way to avoid feeling sorry or that one is sufferring - to take on the sufferring of others and DO something about it. 

why am i still thinking about thal's statement.  it was rather bold of him to say.  i certainly hope it was a fulfilling experience - but well hidden.  was it in the coat closet?  or under the table?  that's a risky thing to do.  or, did you mean - you ate the entire meal and nothing more.  kind of hoping it was the latter.  thal, you need a wife!

[pianowolfi]

Pianowolfi *thinks and does research* 

[maul]

Idiocy is rampant.

[jpianoflorida]

Idiocy is rampant.

aaah..what a nice thing to say maul! Such loving comments.   

[thalbergmad]

i have one more thing to add

If only, but i doubt it.

Thal

[pianowelsh]

Any sane people out there?? atall??  I dont know how many times this thread went off topic - its insane..In fact im so confused I dont even know what this started out as anymore.  But with relation to 'christian bashing' - AGAIN! the reason the always quote from their 'BIG book' is simple 1. Its our book (given by God 2Tim3:16/17) and is applicable to every area of life (not just ours, but also the world in which we live) 2. it is the word of God and as Christians we believe in an almighty creator God who is at the same time intimate ie. we have relationship with him, by the blood of his son through the word and through direct access in prayer.  What I find startling is the number of people who feel qualified to attack Christians without having even the slightest knowledge of what the word of God actually teaches (which dosent mean randomly plucking out verses you like/dislike, it means reading in context and actually getting the whole concept).  Anyway thats my airing.  rather than mocking the woman and her kids if you really think there is a problem with the woman and im not going to comment. Then if you believe in God - pray for the woman. God hears and he is no mans debtor, he is faithfull to provide all the help that the woman and her kids need.

[pianowolfi]

Christ did not say anything about karma. 

From Mathew 11:

I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 He who has ears, let him hear.

I think for Jesus believing in previous lives was self-evident, according to these words. (And this is not the only passage in the NT)

[pianistimo]

yet...John himself denied that he was 'the elijah - and said he was unfit to tie the sandals of Christ or something like that.'  but, we know he prepared the way for Christ.  now enoch and elijah were 'taken' and yet, they physically died.  we know this because Christ was the 'firstfruits' of those risen from the dead.  if anyone rose before Him - it would negate His power.  john 1:30 - 'this is He on behalf of whom I said, ' after me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'  if John the Baptist were to reappear - he would not be 'karmalized' as a cat or dog or cow.  He would be himself - except in a better body.  but, this cannot happen until the ressurrection of the dead.  I Corinthians 15:22-26 'as in adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.  but each in his own order:  Christ the firstfruits, after that those who are Christ's AT HIS COMING.'  then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.  for He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.   the last enemy that will be abolished is death.'

[pianolist]

Thal, you are a lone voice of wisdom. I think it's about time you and I buggered up this thread. It needs to be suffocated. Here's a nice poem about the English, with due deference to Michael Flanders and Donald Swann. It has nothing at all to do with God Warrior.

THE ENGLISH

The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
We've left in the hands of three unfriendly powers.
Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot;
You'll find he's a stinker as likely as not.

     The English, the English, the English are best;
     I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

The Scotsman is mean, as we're all well aware;
He's boney and blotchy and covered with hair.
He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
And hasn't got bishops to show him the way.

     The English, the English, the English are best;
     I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

The Irishman now our contempt is beneath;
He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth.
He blows up policemen, or so I have heard,
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third.

     The English are moral, the English are good
     And clever and modest and misunderstood.

The Welshman's dishonest, he cheats when he can;
He's little and dark, more like monkey than man.
He works underground with a lamp on his hat
And sings far too loud, far too often, and flat.

     The English, the English, the English are best;
     I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

And crossing the Channel, one cannot say much
For the French or the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch.
The Germans are German, the Russians are red,
And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed.

     The English are noble, the English are nice,
     And worth any other at double the price.

And all the world over each nation's the same;
They've simply no notion of playing the game.
They argue with umpires, they cheer when they've won,
And they practice beforehand, which spoils all the fun.

     The English, the English, the English are best;
     I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad;
It's just that they're foreign that makes them so mad.
The English are all that a nation should be,
And the pride of the English are Donald (Michael) and me.

     The English, the English, the English are best;
     I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.

[donjuan]

yes, go on and s#$t all over my thread.. it's not as much fun as I had hoped it would be anyway..

[Floristan]

For what it's worth at this point in this interminable wacked thread...for what it's worth, DonJuan...the God Warrior clip is one of the best on You Tube in a long time.  I forwarded it to a couple friends, who each forwarded it to everyone they know.  It's all over the country by now, most of us howling our heads off at this total lunatic God Warrior b**ch.  Sure we feel sorry for the people who are forced to live with her, but her...she's surly the spawn of Satan, so evil is she.  She deserves no sympathy, only derision.  What a horrid creature!  How impossibly distant is she from the very teachings she thinks she espouses.  This is surely a grand delusion of a most destructive sort.

Of course posting this video brought out our own resident religious loonies, babbling about god and jesus and the bible, sounding remarkably like those Iraqi mullahs and Iranian ayatollahs carrying on in their fatwas about allah and mohammed and the koran.  Just what we need in the world right now...more "passionate" religious zealots!  They are doing such a good job of bringing people together in peace and harmony.  May god save us from the likes of them!

[pianowolfi]

For what it's worth at this point in this interminable wacked thread...for what it's worth, DonJuan...the God Warrior clip is one of the best on You Tube in a long time.  I forwarded it to a couple friends, who each forwarded it to everyone they know.  It's all over the country by now, most of us howling our heads off at this total lunatic God Warrior b**ch.  Sure we feel sorry for the people who are forced to live with her, but her...she's surly the spawn of Satan, so evil is she.  She deserves no sympathy, only derision.  What a horrid creature!  How impossibly distant is she from the very teachings she thinks she espouses.  This is surely a grand delusion of a most destructive sort.

i must agree to this.

Of course posting this video brought out our own resident religious loonies, babbling about god and jesus and the bible, sounding remarkably like those Iraqi mullahs and Iranian ayatollahs carrying on in their fatwas about allah and mohammed and the koran.  Just what we need in the world right now...more "passionate" religious zealots!  They are doing such a good job of bringing people together in peace and harmony.  May god save us from the likes of them!

This part of your post makes me concerned though. For me religion is something totally different than what you describe here. Perhaps I'm too sensitive or so. But I have the impression as soon as I use for instance the word God as I would naturally use it some people here would put me in a corner where I don't stand. In the corner of taliban and fundamentalists and creationists. Where I definitely not am. As soon as I agree with something Prometheus said, for instance "It is not possible that the sun is only 6000 years old" the other people would come and bash me for that.  This is really annoying. There is a sort of intolerance on the forum about these subjects. Why can't it be possible to talk unprejudiced about subjects like that? For me religion is like music a part of my life. A natural part of it. It corresponds with the musical part of myself. It is an independent area of my personality. Sort of self-made and self-discovered. I find it very annoying to make a no-no out of this subject on a musical forum. So I seriously begin to feel uncomfortable here.

[penguinlover]

I have felt uncomfortable here for a while.  I guess I am one of those loonies you need to be protected from .  I am passionate about my relationship with Christ and His teachings, but I would never shove them down your throat.  It is a personal matter.  Violence and hatred weren't the ways of Christ, and I need to be like Him.  Putting people down isn't the way of Christ.  He grew in favor with God and man, that means people actually liked him.  He was personable, and enjoyable to be around.

Sorry, I was going to not post anything else here.  At least that's what I said before, just couldn't help myself.    I guess I am rather impulsive.

[jpianoflorida]

Penguin lover:   Just remind yourself that while we as believers may be in the minority on this forum...we're not a minority when it comes to the world!    Anyone want to guess how the percentage of the population that does believe?   I am sure it's extremely high.

[prometheus]

Aah, the Calimero complex.

(Do you even have that kind of expression)

(It's unfair, they are big and I am small.)

[penguinlover]

I have no clue what that is all about.  I do believe that the majority of people believe there is a God, but even the demons believe that.  It's the Gospel that they don't believe or accept.  Many even believe it in their head, but can't accept it into their hearts and lives.

[donjuan]

For what it's worth at this point in this interminable wacked thread...for what it's worth, DonJuan...the God Warrior clip is one of the best on You Tube in a long time.  I forwarded it to a couple friends, who each forwarded it to everyone they know.  It's all over the country by now, most of us howling our heads off at this total lunatic God Warrior b**ch.  Sure we feel sorry for the people who are forced to live with her, but her...she's surly the spawn of Satan, so evil is she.  She deserves no sympathy, only derision.  What a horrid creature! How impossibly distant is she from the very teachings she thinks she espouses. This is surely a grand delusion of a most destructive sort.

Of course posting this video brought out our own resident religious loonies, babbling about god and jesus and the bible, sounding remarkably like those Iraqi mullahs and Iranian ayatollahs carrying on in their fatwas about allah and mohammed and the koran.  Just what we need in the world right now...more "passionate" religious zealots!  They are doing such a good job of bringing people together in peace and harmony.  May god save us from the likes of them!

glad you liked it! 

Many even believe it in their head, but can't accept it into their hearts and lives.

If I devote my life to Jesus, won't I be punished in the afterlife by other religions for not believing in them?   Won't all you protestants go to Hindu Hell, as well as be 'left behind' when Armageddon comes and the only people saved are Jehovah's Witnesses?   

It seems so obvious to me (and probably other atheists) that religion is an important brainchild of culture.  ...but it doesn't actually MEAN anything!

[pianistimo]

it doesn't  mean anything until your life depends upon it.  but, then it's too late.  if we understand the bible to mean what it says - we're here on earth for a purpose.  and, the gospel is bringing 'good news' of a better world.  if you think this is the best that it gets- then no wonder so many are depressed.  all the world governments in the world cannot create peace.  but, Jesus Christ, when He returns WILL be a warrior against war, false gods, corruption, immorality, and deception.  none of us are exempt from judgement - but He says if we judge ourselves rightly now - then we will be under His saving grace by faith.  perhaps the woman in this video clip will be attributed some merits - instead of blindly following another families ideals.  of course, she may have some mental hang-ups - but God is a righteous judge and does not judge by sight - but by our hearts.  perhaps she has endured some sufferring that we do not know about.  God knows all things - especially relating to how we take care of our families and how we treat people in private as well as in public.  if she was concerned enough to express a distaste for the occult - more power to her.  i'd rather see someone 'half crazy' for God than 'totally crazy' for the occult.

to make things fair- we should have a video clip of some 'new age' meetings.  all dna ancestral encodings are electronically disengaged?  'karmalizing' people - to accept feelings over rational thought (and also a rational and engaged God).  this is deception of the highest order.  it demotes God and raises self to the highest position.  this is Satan's form of 'evil' looking 'good.'  anyone gone to a new age meeting and care to share their 'feelings.'  to me it sounds quite inward.  how can you learn if you are learning only from yourself and your subconcious?   say - they are put into a life and death situation - are they going to then pray to themselves.  what help with they derive then?  the true God is powerful and mighty and is not some kind of impersonal deity to discard in the trash.