This is why all Asian Pianists sound the same..

[elevateme]

actually i do play it. i learnt it last summer

[opus10no2]

At what speed?

[elevateme]

not as fast as that recording u posted. but so what? it was a good speed for a musical performance. because at the end of the day, isnt that the most important thing?

[elevateme]

No, there aren't, some are pretty rare, but involve 1/2/3 dexterity, and are therefore easier to adapt to.

The 25/11 is a rare figuration, but it involves more than just 4/5 dexterity, and it's simply not as rigorous, although it does have the most difficult metronome marking.

You obviously haven't played it...each new bar(excepting repetition) is a new challenge to get up to tempo.

And the main problem, apart from raw speed dexterity, is endurance, however short it is - NO PIECE in the common repertoire demands such intense use of the outer fingers.

The outer finger dexterity of a pianist is what really seperates a virtuoso from a pianist with a 'good technique'.

you talk bollocks sometimes. there are loads of pieces which use difficult outer fingers passages

[franzliszt2]

Opus 10 no 2 is hard, but it's not that hard. Most pianists have done op10no2 at an early age, it's one of those pieces. I mean my teacher made me do scales using 345, and other stuff for those fingers, so when I did op10 no2, I didn't have much trouble with the speed. I think if you start this etude with difficutly in "raw finger dexterity" and endurance, your technique aint up to it. The difficlty is trying to get it to sound like a piece of music. My teacher tells me, if you have technical trouble with the etudes, your not ready for them. Why should they be hard?  

You obviously havn't done op25 no11, or if you have, you've had a hard time, because to be honest, it's not that hard. It fits amazingly well under the fingers, you just change position and move the fingers, it floatrs along nicely. It's not really rare figuration at all.  

You talk so much about the techncal side of piano, athletic side, and speed and raw power etc... Don't you think it's a bit silly? I mean if you talk like that, you clearly don't have that facility, becasue if you did you'd be talking about music, which is what people play and listen to piano music for. Why should I be impressed by a fast op10no2? I could play it just as fast if I wanted, but why bother? It just turns piano into I can play faster than you game. Look at the pianists with the great techniques, Hamelin for example, his playing is effortless. Have you ever seen an interview with him? He talks about MUSIC making. Do you think he's playing everything he plays as fast as he can? Jack Gibbons' Alkan symphony is faster, does that mean it's better? Does he make it harder by playing it faster?

Virtuosity is not just speed. It's the whole package of technique and musicality. Anyone can play fast, which is why it's not impressive. I'd rather hear good music making.

[opus10no2]

not as fast as that recording u posted. but a good speed for a performance

Doubtful, if so - not a performance I'd enjoy.

you talk bollocks sometimes. there are loads of pieces which use difficult outer fingers passages

Name ONE that puts as much rigorous demand on those fingers.

[elevateme]

la campanella? 1 454 1 454 1 454 etc. obviously it isnt as sustained... but its faster. isnt that all you care about?

[franzliszt2]

erm.....Godowsly etudes maybe. Chopin 4th ballade coda is pretty nasty in the coda for those fingers if you play it properly.

Brahm's paganini variations. The 4th variation, with the trills on 45,

[elevateme]

Doubtful, if so - not a performance I'd enjoy.

thats because you don't care about the music. what did you say again? "you see music i see a racecourse" ?

by the way, franzliszt2's is pretty fast. maybe he'd give your recording a run for its money

[opus10no2]

Opus 10 no 2 is hard, but it's not that hard. Most pianists have done op10no2 at an early age, it's one of those pieces. I mean my teacher made me do scales using 345, and other stuff for those fingers, so when I did op10 no2, I didn't have much trouble with the speed. I think if you start this etude with difficutly in "raw finger dexterity" and endurance, your technique aint up to it. The difficlty is trying to get it to sound like a piece of music. My teacher tells me, if you have technical trouble with the etudes, your not ready for them. Why should they be hard?  

If you didn't have much trouble with the speed, you weren't playing it that fast.

Why should I be impressed by a fast op10no2? I could play it just as fast if I wanted, but why bother?

The point is - you couldn't.

[franzliszt2]

ehh, I can hit the Chopin tempo mark very confortably. I I think it sounds great at that tempo. The point is I could go faster, but don't want to becasue it just sounds stupid and impresses people like you, and to be honest, I don't want to impress people like you, I'd rather satisfy an audience of musicians. 

[elevateme]

The point is - you couldn't.

actually he can. ive seen him play it that fast

[opus10no2]

la campanella? 1 454 1 454 1 454 etc. obviously it isnt as sustained... but its faster. isnt that all you care about?

HAHA, that figuration would only be as difficult as the 10/2 if played at double the usual tempo.

It's usually played faster because it's so simple and facile..

erm.....Godowsly etudes maybe. Chopin 4th ballade coda is pretty nasty in the coda for those fingers if you play it properly.

Brahm's paganini variations. The 4th variation, with the trills on 45,

No, standard double notes arent as demanding on the outer fingers because the other fingers and wrist are used as a crutch.

10/2 isn't a simple trill exercise...

thats because you don't care about the music. what did you say again? "you see music i see a racecourse" ?

by the way, franzliszt2's is pretty fast. maybe he'd give your recording a run for its money

I doubt he could.

And I do care about music, but I can seperate it from discussions about technique and keyboard atheleticism.

Just like I can seperate sexual attraction from love...

[elevateme]

stop trying to change the subject. youre wrong and you know it.

and anyway, theres a clear cut on the recording you posted, which completely gets rid of the endurance difficulty you talk about.

[opus10no2]

actually he can. ive seen him play it that fast

Bullsh1t

ehh, I can hit the Chopin tempo mark very confortably. I I think it sounds great at that tempo. The point is I could go faster, but don't want to becasue it just sounds stupid and impresses people like you, and to be honest, I don't want to impress people like you, I'd rather satisfy an audience of musicians.

haha, typical.

Feeble technicians always use the 'musician' excuse.

You COULDN'T play a 1 minute 10/2, of that I am very sure.

[opus10no2]

stop trying to change the subject. youre wrong and you know it.

and anyway, theres a clear cut on the recording you posted, which completely gets rid of the endurance difficulty you talk about.

not quite.

And yes, there may have been a cut, but that was the editor's fault.

The evidence of raw speed is irrefutable.

[franzliszt2]

In double notes it's not as difficult, your correct, but in Brahms pagnaini 4th variation....RH, 1st bar, ECE, trilling using 45 on the top E and F. For the next few bars you chnage inner notes, with this trill. That is hard. Have you played it?

I can seperate technique from music. But when you start replacing music with technique I draw the line. Why do we practice 8 hours a day? To destroy techncal troubles, and also to look at the music.

[elevateme]

Bullsh1t

haha, typical.

Feeble technicians always use the 'musician' excuse.

You COULDN'T play a 1 minute 10/2, of that I am very sure.

so youre saying no one can play 10/2 in one minute. because you have no idea how good or bad franzliszt2's technique is.

[franzliszt2]

haha, typical.

Feeble technicians always use the 'musician' excuse.

You COULDN'T play a 1 minute 10/2, of that I am very sure

Ok, so I just play everything as fast as I can then? To prove that I can.

[elevateme]

Ok, so I just play everything as fast as I can then? To prove that I can.

why dont you just record it. at least it would shut him up, because he's not believing either of us.

[opus10no2]

In double notes it's not as difficult, your correct, but in Brahms pagnaini 4th variation....RH, 1st bar, ECE, trilling using 45 on the top E and F. For the next few bars you chnage inner notes, with this trill. That is hard. Have you played it?

I have played that section, it DOES NOT compare to the 10/2.

so youre saying no one can play 10/2 in one minute. because you have no idea how good or bad franzliszt2's technique is.

But without evidence, it is easy to assume that he couldn't play it in one minute, based on how rare that ability is.

Ok, so I just play everything as fast as I can then? To prove that I can.

No, because not every piece is suited to this kind of competition.

10/2 IS.

why dont you just record it. at least it would shut him up, because he's not believing either of us.

Go ahead , punk, make my day.

[elevateme]

But without evidence, it is easy to assume that he couldn't play it in one minute, based on how rare that ability is.

Go ahead , punk, make my day.

hahaha you are in for a treat he really CAN play it that fast, im not lying. franz make SURE you record it. i cant wait to hear what he says

[opus10no2]

Looking forward to it...make it swift

[franzliszt2]

I know people who can play it faster than me, and they don't in performance. It's stupid to think of op10 no2 in that way.

I'm not recording it, for many reasons, but no doubt he'll come back with the good old..."Because he can't".

[opus10no2]

You're psychic, it's because you can't.

[franzliszt2]

 

[elevateme]

he can. please please record it!

[nicco]

Name ONE that puts as much rigorous demand on those fingers.

The Liszt GGC perhaps. But not as much, and not with the same required endurance.

[maxd]

opus10, you mentioned sex.

do you approach sex in the same 'athletic' rush to get it done fast?

...cause if you do your girlfriend must be suffering through it.

[opus10no2]

Heya, this is opus10no2s girlfriend speaking

he is a TERRIFIC lover, he is caring, he is sensetive to my needs, and he has the body of a 12 year old swedish boy.

i am fully satisfied with his love-making technique, and i stress the word fully, because he fills me right up  lol

he does it hard and fast but he doesnt lack endurance, hehe


yours sincerely,
Claire H

[maxd]

12 yr. old swedish boy?
now things are beginning to make more sense

[franzliszt2]

12 yr old sweedish boy?

Is that a complement?

[elevateme]

body of a 12 year old?? seriously man you need to get yourself sorted out. you think girls are into octaves and 12 year old swedes

[cygnusdei]

erm.....Godowsly etudes maybe. Chopin 4th ballade coda is pretty nasty in the coda for those fingers if you play it properly.

Brahm's paganini variations. The 4th variation, with the trills on 45,

Where is the start of the coda in Op. 52? Is it the D flat major section after the descending chromatic run (measure 169), or the F minor section after the sustained C major chord (measure 211)?

[franzliszt2]

After the C major chord.

[shoenberg3]

For the love of God, can Franzliszt2 and elevateme stop sucking each other's schlongs?

[term]

but I can seperate it [music] from discussions about technique and keyboard atheleticism.

Just like I can seperate sexual attraction from love...

haha ironically, both wrong 

[elevateme]

For the love of God, can Franzliszt2 and elevateme stop sucking each other's schlongs?

grow up, or *** off.

[franzliszt2]

ahhh Shoenberg3! Long time no speak! How are you my distant friend? 

Would you like to join in some shlong sucking?

[opus10no2]

shoenberg3 has an incredible asset 

Claire H.

[liszt-essence]

body of a 12 year old?? seriously man you need to get yourself sorted out. you think girls are into octaves and 12 year old swedes

LOL

[bflatminor24]

Heya, this is opus10no2s girlfriend speaking

he is a TERRIFIC lover, he is caring, he is sensetive to my needs, and he has the body of a 12 year old swedish boy.

i am fully satisfied with his love-making technique, and i stress the word fully, because he fills me right up  lol

he does it hard and fast but he doesnt lack endurance, hehe


yours sincerely,
Claire H

opus10no2:

You are the most childish idiot I have ever seen. I read all of your posts in this thread. You are an embarrassment to pianists. I hope you break every one of your 12 year old fingers and never type or play the piano again.

Ooh, clever typing a fake message from your "gf," as if either one of you would care enough to respond to that joke. You probably don't know anything about women, have never had a girlfriend and certainly know nothing about lovemaking.

The part about the 12 year old Swedish boy, however, I believe. It's easy to imagine you hung like a 12 year old.

Your comments about music are all wrong. They reek of insecurity and inanity. Your logic is feeble, and I bet you also suck at the piano. You're a pretentious idiot, you should learn your place. I have no sympathy for you. You deserve every harsh comment and criticism you receive.

Instead of arguing points, you argue semantics and trivia. "ooh, I'm cool because nobody can play 10/2 as fast as me! that makes the the best pianist ever! rawr!" shut up you faggot. I learn 20x the repertoire you do and I work a full time job and go to a top 10 school so shut your little trap you punk kid.

Hey everyone, nobody can play the minute waltz in 10 seconds! har har har! that makes it the hardest piece in the whole world!

This thread is such a crock of camel vomit. I hope you revel knowing this is my last post in the thread. If you want to talk more crap you can send me a message and if you're lucky I'll read it and respond. But probably not since so far you have failed to express one iota of maturity and depth.

Why don't you do a little reading, a little thinking, and a little growing up and then re-evaluate your moronic opinions about piano and piano technique. And grow a sac you 12 year old.

God, what a queer.

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings.

I think it is rather obvious that "Opus10no2" is really only looking for such calumnies and heated statements from other members. Yours replying will not make him dissipate his "arguments," but only encourage him. By reading his statements ealier, it is obvious that they are meant only to provoke. The extinction method should work here. That is, you ignore him despite any outrageous statements he or she makes.

I have a pretty good idea of who "Opus10no2" is. Almost certainly, it is Stevie. I find in his posts the same predilection towards using the word "Phallus" and constantly reffering to sex. Moreover, the previous signature, "The demon is caged, for now," is a very strong indicator of Stevie's presence. I think it is obvious that the poster's comments are purely made up for comic relief and should not be taken seriously, as the poster is merely looking for attention.

[rob47]

Heya, this is opus10no2s girlfriend speaking

he is a TERRIFIC lover, he is caring, he is sensetive to my needs, and he has the body of a 12 year old swedish boy.

i am fully satisfied with his love-making technique, and i stress the word fully, because he fills me right up  lol

he does it hard and fast but he doesnt lack endurance, hehe


yours sincerely,
Claire H

Claire your don juan at the Hammamatsu competition was amazing!

you are very talented

[opus10no2]

Claire your don juan at the Hammamatsu competition was amazing!

you are very talented

hey thanks rob!

my boyfriend was so proud of me when i just sat down and unleashed an awesomely fast 10/2, he told me that he was watching back home and had this huge smile of pride.

its really him who inspires me, he makes me push my speeds further and further.

thanks again rob, hope to see you at one of my concerts soon, or maybe backstage hehe

Claire H.

[houseofblackleaves]

unleashed an awesomely fast 10/2

So... your saying that your only attracted to her because of... oh, I don't know....


OP 10/2?? 


Lawl.  But seriously, Huangci rules.  Quit using her name in vain!!

[maxd]

I see....

I have just been illuminated by the divine spirit...

Yes, 16 year old claire and her 12 year old swede MUST PLAY as fast as possible, with every note being as even as possible, so that they will outperform all other competitors.

perhaps all the scoolboys and schoolgirls who are studying to become great speed-pianists can all get together and have competitions and sell records to themselves and people who feel inferior to their technical skill..

What joy they must bring to the thousands of people who are talentless mediocre people, spiritually deficient.. but with the capacity to execute physical movements of the highest speed and precision!

Go on then! keep on playing your little sexually tormented mechanical hearts out..

I'LL JUST BUY A DISKCLAVIER AND TURN UP THE TEMPO...

on the other hand, I will buy recordings of real artists... who can actually change people's lives and set souls aflame..

[franzliszt2]

I see....

I have just been illuminated by the divine spirit...

Yes, 16 year old claire and her 12 year old swede MUST PLAY as fast as possible, with every note being as even as possible, so that they will outperform all other competitors.

perhaps all the scoolboys and schoolgirls who are studying to become great speed-pianists can all get together and have competitions and sell records to themselves and people who feel inferior to their technical skill..

What joy they must bring to the thousands of people who are talentless mediocre people, spiritually deficient.. but with the capacity to execute physical movements of the highest speed and precision!

Go on then! keep on playing your little sexually tormented mechanical hearts out..

I'LL JUST BUY A DISKCLAVIER AND TURN UP THE TEMPO...

on the other hand, I will buy recordings of real artists... who can actually change people's lives and set souls aflame..

I salute you!

[opus10no2]

hhaha, lame.

Why do people still run races? cars are faster! 

[chromatickler]

I'LL JUST BUY A DISKCLAVIER AND TURN UP THE TEMPO...

the fact you will do this shows you are actually interested in speed.

if you told justin gatlin: "run your race, i'll just buy myself a car" you would come across as a mediocre ass-kisser.

as for the 'real artists' who change your lifes, all they do is simply:

give you hope