Halleluja, I have seen the light

[cmg]

Moses' Journey down the Rhine! Wow!

Best,

Alistair

Heilige Rheinfahrt!!

[pianistimo]

about israel and britain...it is said that jeremiah and baruch (a scribe) first came to ireland with a jewish princess (tiea tephi) and she married heremon (irish king - who also happened to have some davidic bloodline, if i remember).

what is interesting is that the flag of ulster in northern ireland still bears the star of david, a red hand, and a scarlet cord reminscent of the twins (pharez and zarah) in genesis 38:27-30.  this is indicative of which bloodline (from tamar and judah) they are descended. from zerah which means a dawning or brightness. 

a lot of historical stuff is tied up in the bible and modern day tracing of history together.  science, history, archaology - it all proves the bible true.  now if this site is correct - the king herremon had the zerah line and tea tephi the pharez.  so, in effect - the bloodline was united again.  www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2003/throne.html

the davidic harp is the emblem of tara, ireland.

[cmg]

 for one, jacob's seed is said to be like grains of sand

36.  From the Book of Twaddle II:  "Yea, be wary, Sons, of seed liken to grains of sand, for you may have prostate problems!"

[pianistimo]

cmg, you may not realize it - but understanding the peoples of the bible helps you also understand what is written in prophecy to happen to each of the nations.  the bible isn't in a code.  it is plain (whatever language) english to us.  the nations of ephraim and manassah are children of blessing or promise.  but our blessings come from God and can also be taken away.  why else the prophecies in rev 7 that mention some of each of the twelve tribes of israel being sealed before the judgement.  why does God take the time to mention exact peoples?  but, then also in verse 9 people grafted in from every nation:  'after these things i looked, and behold, a great multitude, which NO ONE COULD COUNT, from EVERY NATION and ALL TRIBES, and PEOPLES, and TONGUES, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,
'salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb....'

now, even wikipedia recognizes the history of the levites.  if you google 'levi' it gives direct descendant from leah and jacob.  we have, in our world, a clash of opinion on history.  we have recognition of biblical places and figures and also people today who represent them (for levi - the kohaneim - in israel).  and, of course, for judah - the jews.

everyone today comes from a tribe (family) of people originally.  we can actually trace names and places from the bible.  the bible is able to corroborate many things that we would not know without it - but could deduce a bit from archeology.  the bible tells a true story of our origins and archeology and science fill in the details.  it is interesting to try wikipedia with 'the tribe of joseph.'  interesting that they bother to put it in an encylopedia.  why?  because it can't be disproven.  it should actually say 'tribes' because there were twelve - as mentioned.

if you wikipedia 'genealogical dna test' - you will find out how the people's of the earth are corroborated as having come from these tribes.  there is no disagreement of the origins of many peoples as described in the bible.  exact places, too!  how could this be?  perhaps God is right?!

[pianistimo]

i wish to add another thing - and that is 'don't believe everything you read in wikipedia' because some of it is just plain ridiculous. 

take this, for instance:  under mtdna:  'an outgroup (chimpanzee) mtdna sequence was used to root the tree.  outgroup routing is much more reliable...

perhaps this is why mitochodrial eve is older than the earliest known adam - 'genetic evidence suggests that the most recent patriarch of all humanity is much more recent than the most recent matriarch.  suggesting adam and eve were not alive at the same time....'

this is hilarious to me!  if eve existed millions of years before adam - how could they have had any progeny?  perhaps they should start the root of the tree with human mtdna?

[cmg]

why does God take the time to mention exact peoples? 

No challenge from this quarter regarding That Book's postulations regarding genealogy.  It's harmless, certainly, but to assume that "God" wrote it, or dictated it, is a little absurd, don't you think?  

The Old Testament is a compendium of oral tradition that eventually was written down thousands of years after the fact.  Have you ever played gossip?  Things get lost and mangled in the subsequent, innumerable repetitions.  And that's just a nice outcome.  What about those who chose to distort the message out of political expediency (translated: a need to enslave people with dogma)?

Contemporary Christians, who have seized control of political power in the US, have taken That Book and used to it justify murder, torture and unlawful incarceration all over this globe.  Their literalist stance has been a poltical tool to deprive rights to others whom they feel are below them.  It's what Hitler did, by the way.  All in the name of what you regard as "holy."

This is why we are debating you.  I haven't personally give much thought to That Book since discovering its innumbable references condoning and encouraging:

a) hatred and subjugation of women to a lowly, property-like caste

b) racism, by declaring some peoples "chosen" and others not.

c) homophobia.

d) theft of socks from my sock drawer.

[pianistimo]

if Jesus Christ is the TRUE example of what christianity should be - and the saints follow him in behavior - then we should see that he certainly wasn't anti-women.  why else would so many have gathered to encourage him at the crucifixion and been so anxious at the tomb to see him ressurrected.  we know that mary magdalene (of whom seven demons had been cast out) was not even pushed away by him - for being 'crazy.'  he simply cured her.  how  much love is that!

also, if Jesus died so the entire world would be saved - then christians should be willing to die for their beliefs, too.  MANY HAVE!  they have NOT started world wars!  in fact, many bible believing people perished in the holocaust.  you have it backwards, my friend.  those who do not believe in God see no reason for NOT KILLING.  they don't feel responsible to hold to a moral code.  and, in war- if one is defending themselves (as the iraqis were originally trying to defend 1/2 the population from saddam) then war is justified by their own people (civil war).  but, for us to go in and make them democratic - is an issue of debate.  perhaps we should have just let it turn to genocide.  would that make everyone happy?  like sudan. 

i don't respect kofi annan one bit.  if you go to war - you should go to win.  you should fight evil and eradicate it.  evil = people who go around maiming and murdering people to take land.  they don't care about religion!  here we have MANY NATIONS who sat by and did NOTHING.  they could have won the war in a DAY.

take sudan.  are these people particularly religious? 

take your argument back to God and ask - why shouldn't evil exist in great quantities and why do occasionally christians participate in wars?  usually they are conscientious objectors and are KILLED.  how many of our boys have sacrificed themselves for ANOTHER countries freedom.  that is not the same as going over with the intent to murder everyone.  now, some guys get crazy - but how much backup do they have.  are we attempting to win this war?

OR - are we working into a one-world system - in which president bush is a pawn.  they will give him oil, money, and power - IF - we bow down to the UN and the european union and the financiers of the one world order.  this means - if we lose our military - no biggie!  we have the UN.  oh hurrah!  i'd rather die. 

on the other hand, president bush is caught (as are all of us) between a struggle to promote freedom (personal freedom of women, religious ethnicities) for all nations.  that is what the UN is supposed to do.  if the UN doesn't do it - who will.  they are NOT going to protect israel.  i am still pro-bush even though i do not like the war in iraq.  why?  because the bible says that israel belongs to the israelites.  God gave the land to them.  so that is why we are in a set-up for armageddon.  it cOULD happen in our lifetime.

[pianistimo]

i do not blame bush - because just as the twin towers came down here (symbolizing babylon here) - babylonian systems are coming down everywhere.  in iraq the ancient city of babylon was the FIRST world empire.  now, we will have the last one - a new world order.  president bush is caught in fulfilling bible prophecy.  he must, as he knows, do the bidding of those above him - and yet - he still stands for the bible and for freedom.  the bible is the only place that people can get the idea that God gives us 'inalienable rights.'

what other country promotes rights of life, liberty, and happiness on the basis of just being born!

i don't think any nation will stand before Jesus Christ when He appears.  all are corrupt!

[thalbergmad]

names are another proof of the existence of God.

The only thing that statement proves it that you are seriously in need of some form of mental assistance.

[thalbergmad]

there are so many proofs of God that you cannot number them. 

True, zero is not a number.

[thalbergmad]

why are they and other populations (groups of people) spoken of the bible in the exact locations they are mentioned?  why, thal?

ERRR, coz they were there when the Bible was written.

So what, it does not prove what happened.

[thalbergmad]

There is a saying in England

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull***t"

Pianistimo - you were given 34 examples of happenings mentioned in the Bible to prove and all you have done so far is rattle on about nothing in some kind of prozac induced trance.

I do not know what you are on about. You are just jumping from one point to another like a madwoman.

You have proved nothing. All you have done is waste webspace.

There are several good forums for religious nutcases like yourself which i think you should join.

Hope you get better.

Thal

[cmg]

president bush is caught in fulfilling bible prophecy.  he must, as he knows, do the bidding of those above him - and yet - he still stands for the bible and for freedom. 

I'm only addressing this rant because it is important that non-US forum members realize that an enormous number of Americans do not believe this inflammatory twaddle.

1) US policies -- foisting American culture on the Mid East in the pursuit of oil -- created the situation that resulted in the World Trade Towers/Pentagon attacks.  Bin Laden, as everyone knows, was in the employ of the CIA for years before as a not-so-covert agent.  He received billions from the US in aid.
 
2) Bush, like Hitler before who frightened Germans with the threat of possible Russian invasion, exploited the fear and anger of Americans after the attacks, to go after Saddam -- who, as we all know now -- had nothing to do with the attacks nor the creation of weapons of mass destruction.  These were all lies Bush told to the world.  Documented fact.

3) Bush's aggressive policies have nothing to do with a "Bible prophecy" and everything to do with a vendetta for Daddy (Bush, Sr.) and the lustful greed to position American troops on a part of the world that is one of the three richest oil sites on this globe.  The Bushes, by the way, are famous oil barons.  Documented fact.

4) Bush is notoriously and famously anti-intellectual and has been thoroughly ineffective as a "leader" during his entire career.  It is a well- documented fact that Al Gore actually won the election that first placed Bush into power.  Discrepancies in the voting results in the swing state of Florida (where Bush's brother, Jeb, was and is governor) tipped the balance in Bush's favor.  It is acknowledged as scandalous and illegal, but the Supreme Court outrageously ruled it "legal."  Americans, adhering sometimes to their own laws, abided by the Supreme Court decision.

4) Bush's re-election to a second term was the result of continued American stupidity about the nature of the war in Irag; continued belief in the overwhelming right-wing Christian propaganda that dominated and continues to dominate American news outlets.  Pianistimo is the product of their propaganda, further reinforced by so-called Mega-Church Christian leaders who shout down and silence dissenters with the charge that we are "un-American" and "un-Christian" and are, therefore, evil and, as pianistimo has stated clearly above, derserve to be killed.  It is a new McCarthy Era in America and most of us are quite displeased.

5) In summation, pianistimo's rant, if nothing else, proves the bankruptcy of the so-called American Christian cause.  Where is "turn the other cheek?"  Where is "Thou shall not kill?"  Where is the logic, morality or ethics in saying the "Prince of Peace" authorizes death to all those who thwart His Bibilical Blueprint?  Indeed, I would never follow such a man. 

6)  My opinion in the US, by the way, is gradually becoming mainstream.  The end of this facism, we all hope, is only a few years away.  One lives in hope, at any rate (sigh).

7) Citizens of this world outside of America, forgive us for making the American Century a nightmare of botched policy and mass murder.  We have become Rome.

Just discovered yet another sock is missing from my sock drawer.     

[thalbergmad]

Very interesting and rather worrying post.

President Bliars supposed close ties with Bush is un nerving.

Thal

[pianistimo]

dear cmg,

i have neither stated you or anyone else is un-american or un-christian.  you have said you are not particularly glommed onto the christian religion - but i don't think non-christians are unethical or any less able to discern the times and the politics involved.  i think you are correct in citing that we did not have a 'leg to stand on' in going into iraq excepting the slaughter that was happening as a result of an internal struggle.  that is what i said.  i do not agree with killing innocent people to get to the thugs.  and, if iraq is to have had a war that they actually WON - why didn't the UNITED NATIONS get involved.  that's my question.

now, in terms of the bible and what is happening with ALL WORLD LEADERS - is that there is a prophetic sequence that is unravelling right now.  it is obvious to those with 'ears to hear.'  why else is israel, the usa, and europe at an impasse.  we don't want the UN to just sanction iraq - we want them to get rid of their capabilities to enrich uranium altogether.  that WOULD make for a few more years of peace.  iraq tells the UN lies to prolong it's bomb making capablities.  they are no different than saddam and probably tried to get 1/2 of saddams stuff on the black market.  but, of course, nothing can be proven until we go in and find it.  that is why people don't believe it.  they say - oh, these countries don't have anything.  why should we WAIT until they DO have it?

do you want to know what the word crazy will mean in a few months.  radicals that want to blow up the west and blow up britain.   then, you will know what the word crazy means.  of course, if our economic system goes down- they won't have to do a THING!

[thalbergmad]

now, in terms of the bible and what is happening with ALL WORLD LEADERS - is that there is a prophetic sequence that is unravelling right now.  it is obvious to those with 'ears to hear.' 

Please explain this in short concise English

[asyncopated]

I have news!  I believe in THE WORD -- TRUTHINESS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

https://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=24039

PS. FROM now ON i'm GOING to randomly WRITE words IN capital letters.

[cmg]

I have news!  I believe in THE WORD -- TRUTHINESS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

 

[pianistimo]

truthiness?  how about the UN? they sit and watch.  they are specifically told not to shoot.  how effective have they been in palestine?  they even let themselves get shot.  all in the name of peace.  whilst radicals terrorize the entire countryside.  the UN could say - this is the way it is.  i think in the future israel will be divided.  the interesting thing is that the bible prophecies it.

[mad_max2024]

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...

[ahinton]

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...

I have news for you. You are!

While we're about it, why has no one yet given any information about the whereabouts of that light switch?...

Best,

Alistair

[asyncopated]

While we're about it, why has no one yet given any information about the whereabouts of that light switch?...

It's normally on the wall next to the door, about 4 feet from the floor.

If you really can't find it and need to turn on the lights try an electrician.

[ahinton]

It's normally on the wall next to the door, about 4 feet from the floor.

If you really can't find it and need to turn on the lights try an electrician.

That would in usual circumstances bo sound (if surely also unnecessary) advice, but I refer here, of course, to the specific switch that controls the distribution of the kind of light mentioned in the thread title...

Best,

Alistair

[mad_max2024]

That would in usual circumstances bo sound (if surely also unnecessary) advice, but I refer here, of course, to the specific switch that controls the distribution of the kind of light mentioned in the thread title...

Best,

Alistair

Prometheus seems to be the one who has actually seen the light
Maybe you should ask him...

[cziffra]

DEEZ NUTZ

[cziffra]

on yo chin

[ahinton]

Prometheus seems to be the one who has actually seen the light
Maybe you should ask him...

Why don't you ask "prometheus" yourself?

Best,

Alistair

[mad_max2024]

Why don't you ask "prometheus" yourself?

Best,

Alistair

I'm shy

[ahinton]

I'm shy

OK - so let's hope that "prometheus" has seen your question anyway and will accordingly respond without your having to ask it directly...

Best,

Alistair