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Offline iumonito

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« on: February 21, 2007, 12:01:58 AM »
The other day I posted something and later was surprised to see it didn't post.  I thought I failed to post it.

Today I noticed a post by someone else was gone after I read it earlier in the day.  It seems these posts are being censored without an indication that they have been deleted.

Do you have anything you would like to discuss about this before this thread is excised?
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«Reply #1 on: February 21, 2007, 12:22:32 AM »
The last few days the server load has been very high for periods up to several hours since we are prepering for moving to a new server. It is possible that your connection has timed out before the post was really posted.

Regarding the post that was removed in the "sheet music requests" board, it was  breaking the forum rules by linking to sheet music of a piece we have in our library.

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«Reply #2 on: February 21, 2007, 12:36:13 AM »
The last few days the server load has been very high for periods up to several hours since we are prepering for moving to a new server. It is possible that your connection has timed out before the post was really posted.

Regarding the post that was removed in the "sheet music requests" board, it was  breaking the forum rules by linking to sheet music of a piece we have in our library.

I would also like to inquire why my post in the PF Website board was deleated. Does this to have somthing to do with the server or was it against the forum rules?

My post in the "word association thread" was also deleated. I'm also curious if this had anything to do with the server. Surely "pork chops" doesen't contain and obscene content?
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«Reply #3 on: February 21, 2007, 01:38:12 AM »
The last few days the server load has been very high for periods up to several hours since we are prepering for moving to a new server. It is possible that your connection has timed out before the post was really posted.

Regarding the post that was removed in the "sheet music requests" board, it was  breaking the forum rules by linking to sheet music of a piece we have in our library.

Except that it didn't.  The fact that the sheet music was available at that site as well has nothing to do with it.  I happened to follow the link, and it had a trove of info and in fact did not have the direct link to the music.

I don't have a problem with the rule of not posting music that is available to gold members in the site, but a) I think it would be better to acknowledge the deletion and b) I think the rule should not be applied so broadly to also eliminate information other than the sheet music.  What do think?
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«Reply #4 on: February 21, 2007, 10:23:58 AM »
Except that it didn't.  The fact that the sheet music was available at that site as well has nothing to do with it.  I happened to follow the link, and it had a trove of info and in fact did not have the direct link to the music.
The linked page had indeed a direct link to the sheet music.
In such cases it does of course not matter if the linked page contains other useful information or not since the aim was to direct the member who requested the sheet music to the sheet music file.

I don't have a problem with the rule of not posting music that is available to gold members in the site, but a) I think it would be better to acknowledge the deletion and b) I think the rule should not be applied so broadly to also eliminate information other than the sheet music.  What do think?

a) Yes, that was my mistake. I have now acknowledged the deletion in the way we usuall do:
http://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,23615.msg263005.html#msg263005

b) The rule to not request or link to pieces already available on Piano Street do mainly apply to the "Sheet Music Requests" board. That board is only intended for requesting and uploading sheet music while discussions regarding the pieces is better held in the "Repertoire" board. If the link had been posted outside the "Sheet Music Requests" board as a reference to information it had not been removed.

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«Reply #5 on: February 21, 2007, 04:33:28 PM »
Got it. Thanks.
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«Reply #6 on: February 21, 2007, 09:30:51 PM »
The thread regarding the banning of chromatickler has also disappeared.

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«Reply #7 on: February 22, 2007, 01:06:26 AM »
pierre boulez (and mauricio kagel) would have to agree with that.
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«Reply #8 on: February 22, 2007, 01:24:48 AM »
The thread regarding the banning of chromatickler has also disappeared.

Yes i was very curious why that is so. I forgot to inquire about that previously.
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«Reply #9 on: February 24, 2007, 06:20:14 AM »
pierre boulez (and mauricio kagel) would have to agree with that.
Quite possibly - but do we actually have any evidence that they did?...

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«Reply #10 on: March 02, 2007, 01:35:35 AM »
nils still hasnt replied...hmm...
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«Reply #11 on: March 02, 2007, 10:03:03 AM »
I would also like to inquire why my post in the PF Website board was deleated. Does this to have somthing to do with the server or was it against the forum rules?

The thread regarding the banning of chromatickler has also disappeared.

Topics or posts regarding banning or banned members are usually removed.


My post in the "word association thread" was also deleated. I'm also curious if this had anything to do with the server. Surely "pork chops" doesen't contain and obscene content?

It appears as if your "pork chops" message was never posted and we have certainly not deleted it deliberately. Probably it was your connection to the server timing out because of the heavy load. Sorry for this.



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«Reply #12 on: March 02, 2007, 11:43:52 PM »
Topics or posts regarding banning or banned members are usually removed.
so it is against the rules to talk about them? i didnt see that in the rules list. i also noticed that soliloquy's post, which occurred right after my previous in this thread, was deleted, also. if i may suggest, can you please just edit the person's post, saying something like [removed by admin, against the rules] or something of that nature? it can be very confusing at times when i try to look back at a post ive seen, sometimes.
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«Reply #13 on: March 03, 2007, 12:34:58 AM »
I agree with Jre. Nils, I respect the fact that it is your forum and you do have the right to delete posts, but I believe it would be significantly better if you were to censor the poster in question's opinion rather than removing it as though that poster had no opinion in the first place.

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«Reply #14 on: March 03, 2007, 01:46:34 AM »
Topics or posts regarding banning or banned members are usually removed.

Why not just close a post, to prevent further discussion?

Why would you prohibit discussion of banning or banned members?  Don't you think pianostreet deserves to know under what conditions banning takes place?  Why do we need to be so tight lipped about subjects that ultimately affect every single poster in this forum. 
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«Reply #15 on: March 03, 2007, 12:07:29 PM »
so it is against the rules to talk about them? i didnt see that in the rules list.
It is not stated in the rules (except for "We reserve the right to remove, modify or move posts at our discretion and without explanation.") The reason is that it is not explictly forbidden to discuss banning.

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if i may suggest, can you please just edit the person's post, saying something like [removed by admin, against the rules] or something of that nature? it can be very confusing at times when i try to look back at a post ive seen, sometimes.

Thanks for your suggestion. We could even make the rules more structured by deviding them into paragraphs and then state in the removed post with regards to which paragraph the post has been rmoved.

Why would you prohibit discussion of banning or banned members?  Don't you think pianostreet deserves to know under what conditions banning takes place? 

It is not prohibited but, as I said, usually removed.
Reason:

The administators of this forum are never publicly stating or discussing in detail the reasons for specific cases of banning.
Neither the banned member in question is (quite naturally) taking part in such discussions.

This means that when discussions about banned members occurs the assumed reasons for the banning are usually very far from the truth. Instead of letting everyone getting false facts about the specific banning and consequently about how this could affect their own use of the forum it is usually better to remove it.

General questions and discussions about banning are not removed.


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«Reply #16 on: March 04, 2007, 01:38:00 PM »
Like this.

Also, what I do is that I largely ignore posts and topics by people that in the past I have found unworthy of my attention.  Currently Op.10No.2 and Elfwhatever boy are in the lead, allthought the all time favorite has to be contra, whom I have not recognized in a long time.  Soiloquy, you there?

Nils, perfect opportunity to excercise the new system.  You may want to remove the preceding paragraph and just mark deleted by admin.

Cheers, great discussion, I think.
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«Reply #17 on: March 05, 2007, 07:44:17 PM »
Nils, so what you are saying is that we can ask about banning, but because you will not divulge info you are not willing to provide proof on specific cases?

This still leaves pianostreet in a state of knowing the law, but not knowing how and when it will be enforced, and the decision making behind the enforcement process. 
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«Reply #18 on: March 05, 2007, 10:35:01 PM »
Nils, so what you are saying is that we can ask about banning, but because you will not divulge info you are not willing to provide proof on specific cases?

Yes

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This still leaves pianostreet in a state of knowing the law, but not knowing how and when it will be enforced, and the decision making behind the enforcement process. 

Yes, but is this really an existing problem for anyone?
Banning is only the very last option to solve problems when all diplomatic efforts in form of warnings and reprimands have failed.
There is simply no risk for someone to be be banned without deliberately ignoring several reprimands and therefore not knowing how and when the rules will be enforced in their specific case.

During our five and a half years online and with over 15 000 registered members only 18 members have yet been banned.