How many of you know that Thalberg and Thalbergmad are two different people?

[alwaystheangel]

i suppose, in an off handed way

[pianistimo]

how do you know it's off handed?  it might be spot on.  as i see it - if a man is quiet - it's the truth.  otherwise, he'd be protesting.  so far - nothing is denied.  although, i must admit - i truly don't know them personally and could be wayyyy off. 

after all - nobody wants to reveal their total identity.  otherwise - what is the point of a user name.  privacy is the best policy.  i think they are two very different and yet very smart men. 

alwaystheangel, if you picked - say - bob...what would you say about him?  not knowing him personally - but just off the top of your head?  i think he's been holding back.  (this may be a way to get him to post another picture).  do you think bob is an uncle? 

[tds]

do you think bob is an uncle? 

i always think bob is the uncle of pianostreet.com

[tds]

i always think bob is the uncle of pianostreet.com

thalbergmad the big brother of ps.com

thalberg the first cousin of the big brother of ps.com

and susan the HOLY MOTHER of general things.com

[pianistimo]

i wouldn't go that far.  but mother of general things is ok by me. 

of course, reading the bible is part of my curiosity.  i looked up the earliest reference to mesopotamia (so far) and found that abraham was born in ur.  after the flood - and the tower of babel (babylon) there was a human migration away from this starting point for human migration a second time.  gen 11:28 being where 'ur of the chaldeans' is mentioned in relation to where the father of abraham lived.  this is where the servant of issac returned to find a wife for his master (from relatives still living there).

i find it interesting that in and around iraq are some of the oldest civilization records known.  and various areas of bible - if searched for - are still there (covered up).  there are mention of several kings:  amraphel (king of shinar), arioch (king of ellasar, and chedorlaomer (king of elam), and tidal (king of goiim).  also bera (king of sodom), birsha (king of gommorrah) shinab (king of admah) and shemeber (king of zeboiim), and the king of zoar named bela.  all these kings rebelled against chedorlaomer in the thirteenth year of his reign (gen14:3) - at the salt sea (or valley of siddim).  also, lot (abrahams nephew) - came to zoar when fleeing sodom and gommorah.  it was up on a hillside and sodom and gommorah was a valley where brimstone and fire destroyed the cities in which he used to live. 

now - if the bible is true - wouldn't you say these places would be very early records to corroborate what is said to have happened with what really happened.  satellite images and archeology.  haven't they discovered that chedorlaomer was an actual kings name and that he did live at the time the bible says that he did?  and 'ur' was an actual place.  thick layers of ashes and brimstone at the location of sodom and gommorah would literally prove the story true.  see here:  https://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/sodomfound.htm  the zigguerat and sphynx ideas were actually older than ancient egypt and perhaps abraham's son joseph carried the idea of pyramids into egypt - when he built the first grainary with ideas from ancient ur (that had spread to sodom and the cities around the dead sea area).

not to be fatalistic - but simply to address biblical predictions - we also have had 'hail the size of golf balls' recently in conjuction with tornados.  this odd weather and unusual phenomenon (regarding the size of the hail) makes me believe that the book of revelations description of weather related things is entirely possible - and the times that we live in is a time of awe and appreciation for the grace of God.  without God's grace - our earth has no hope.  i personally believe that the flood happened.  that sodom and gommorah were a 'type' of example for our cities today.  and that in the future - we may experience some strange phenomenon that can only be ascribed to prophecies of revelations.

[pianistimo]

brimstone - is exactly what is described as causing the intense heat of what is called in revelations - the lake of fire.  rev. 19:20 mentions a 'lake of fire which burns with brimstone...'  rev. 20:10  'and the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone...'  rev. 20:14 'and death and hades were thrown into the lake of fire.  this is the second death, the lake of fire.  and if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.'

this seems allegorical to people today - with all our technology and advanced nuclear capabilities (to be vaporized instead of turned into 'pillars of salt.')  and yet - perhaps God was already knowledgeable of nuclear power - because one can be 'vaporized' and still be left a 'pillar of salt' - or have elements remain of themselves.  forms, etc.  also, it seems that our very earth - deep under the crust - contains massive amounts of brimstone.  it is otherwise known when volcanoes erupt - as lava flows.

[ahinton]

i wouldn't go that far.  but mother of general things is ok by me.

Of which "general things" do you consider it "OK" to be thought mother? I thought that you were mother of three children and I'm sure you would not describe them as "general things".

As to all the rest of that biblically-oriented stuff which you promised us all that you'd limit in quantity on this forum (almost 500 words in this one posting alone), the connection between it and the thread topic seems to me especially tenuous in this instance.

Are Susan and Pianistimo two different people? Just curious?

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

brimstone - is exactly what is described as causing the intense heat of what is called in revelations - the lake of fire.  rev. 19:20 mentions a 'lake of fire which burns with brimstone...'  rev. 20:10  'and the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone...'  rev. 20:14 'and death and hades were thrown into the lake of fire.  this is the second death, the lake of fire.  and if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.'

this seems allegorical to people today - with all our technology and advanced nuclear capabilities (to be vaporized instead of turned into 'pillars of salt.')  and yet - perhaps God was already knowledgeable of nuclear power - because one can be 'vaporized' and still be left a 'pillar of salt' - or have elements remain of themselves.  forms, etc.  also, it seems that our very earth - deep under the crust - contains massive amounts of brimstone.  it is otherwise known when volcanoes erupt - as lava flows.

Even that lava doesn't flow like your torrents of biblical verbosity - here, almost immediately on top of those 500 words, you post almost 200 more which are equally irrelevant to the thread topic. Why do you do this, Susan?

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

i believe tds included me in some kind of analysis.  called me 'holy mother.'  i believe on topics such as this - it is good to define oneself.  Jesus said 'no man is good.'  therefore - i don't think anyone can call themselves 'holy' either.  although - a christian's hope is that God considers them 'holy vessels' - equipped for service.

as i see it, alistair, if someone wants to come to me and ask spiritual advice - i'd just simply refer them to the bible.  some think the bible is allegorical.  so - i was merely pointing out that many references to places and people are found and proven true.  so what is the point of saying 'it's all allegorical.'  i think it's very relevant to our day because destruction can happen in minutes.  i'm not saying i'm waiting for bad things to happen - but i think now is the time for people to seriously thing about God and his ways (and the bible).

why?  because this year will be one of the hottest on record.  if you believe in the correlation between what you see happening here on earth - and what God has foretold in the bible - you'll see that rev. 16:9 is true 'and men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the POWER OVER THESE PLAGUES; and they did not repent as to give Him glory.'  so - as i see it - it's not really a matter of 'oh, let's wait and see what God does next.'  i don't want to know it.  He's all powerful.  much better to say - ok. God -you're right.  let's move on to repentance and obedience.  much safer and i daresay - might save some people from hard times in the future (even if we experience hard times now).  our eternal lives are much longer than physical lives.  but, we won't have an eternal life if we give it up (as esau did) for some temporary fix.

God is in the process of drawing all people to himself.  He is like a parent, imo - and if you don't listen the first two or three times - out comes a few attention grabbers.  i believe this is weather related catastrophes such as increased heat and hail in mid-summer.  this is not 'typical' weather.  whether from natural heat or dams - also the prophecy of the euphrates river drying up is coming true.  this is found in rev. 16:12.  and, we have not seen 100 lb hailstones yet - but we had some much larger than even golf ball sized ones (as golf balls are not 4" in diameter) with recent tornados in the us.

ok back to topic - if i can help it  -thalbergmad is not going to 'hell' and thalberg is already faithfully a believer.  next in line is alistair - but of course, as i said - you cannot rescue someone who doesn't want rescuing.  although, perhaps if i stand as a human shield against the peanuts - you'll come to trust my judgement.  seriously, it's time to regain some perspective about salome's dance and what she did.  she should have been ashamed of herself.  (now, don't start in about pole dancing).  there are so many distractions for people today - but it's all so vain.  i'm realizing how much reality shows are ***.  you know - there's nothing positive in them.  just like sodom and gommorrah so many years ago.  it's like the idea that nothing matters - therefore do anything.  i wish i could tell all young people that what you do DOES matter.

[shortyshort]

i believe tds included me in some kind of analysis.  called me 'holy mother.'  i believe on topics such as this - it is good to define oneself.  Jesus said 'no man is good.'  therefore - i don't think anyone can call themselves 'holy' either.  although - a christian's hope is that God considers them 'holy vessels' - equipped for service.

as i see it, alistair, if someone wants to come to me and ask spiritual advice - i'd just simply refer them to the bible.  some think the bible is allegorical.  so - i was merely pointing out that many references to places and people are found and proven true.  so what is the point of saying 'it's all allegorical.'  i think it's very relevant to our day because destruction can happen in minutes.  i'm not saying i'm waiting for bad things to happen - but i think now is the time for people to seriously thing about God and his ways (and the bible).

why?  because this year will be one of the hottest on record.  if you believe in the correlation between what you see happening here on earth - and what God has foretold in the bible - you'll see that rev. 16:9 is true 'and men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the POWER OVER THESE PLAGUES; and they did not repent as to give Him glory.'  so - as i see it - it's not really a matter of 'oh, let's wait and see what God does next.'  i don't want to know it.  He's all powerful.  much better to say - ok. God -you're right.  let's move on to repentance and obedience.  much safer and i daresay - might save some people from hard times in the future (even if we experience hard times now).  our eternal lives are much longer than physical lives.  but, we won't have an eternal life if we give it up (as esau did) for some temporary fix.

God is in the process of drawing all people to himself.  He is like a parent, imo - and if you don't listen the first two or three times - out comes a few attention grabbers.  i believe this is weather related catastrophes such as increased heat and hail in mid-summer.  this is not 'typical' weather.

Where do you get all this rubbish from? (Ans. The Holy Fairytale)
Why do you think that people want to read it? (Ans. Because God told you so)

[pianistimo]

it's not a matter of 'who thinks they're right.'  it's a matter of who IS right.  God will prove Himself.

[shortyshort]

it's not a matter of 'who thinks they're right.'  it's a matter of who IS right.  God will prove Himself.

You are Mad. 

[pianistimo]

that's what they said to john the baptist.  and, after salome's dance - off came his head.  but, do you think he cared?  i think Jesus Christ was also called mad for not defending himself - but now he is ressurrected - the firstfruits of those who call upon God.  so i don't really care what one calls mad.  if one is even slightly mad and has Jesus Christ - they are much saner than one who doesn't.  in fact, i think there is a place in the bible that says 'the foolish will confound the wise.'  that is because we have God's own word to quote.  it's not ours.  every word is true and faithful.

try to disprove the bible and we'll see who is mad.  actually, a sane and peaceful mind is from God.  our own minds certainly do not always produce this.  but, the Holy Spirit does.

[shortyshort]

that's what they said to john the baptist.  and, after salome's dance - off came his head.  but, do you think he cared?  i think Jesus Christ was also called mad for not defending himself - but now he is ressurrected - the firstfruits of those who call upon God.  so i don't really care what one calls mad.  if one is even slightly mad and has Jesus Christ - they are much saner than one who doesn't.  in fact, i think there is a place in the bible that says 'the foolish will confound the wise.'  that is because we have God's own word to quote.  it's not ours.  every word is true and faithful.

But we haven't got Gods' own words. We have the words of people, written down centuries after these things were supposed to have happened, that have then been edited by the Roman Catholic Church to suit their own evil requirements.

The Holy Bible (your good book)

[pianistimo]

only a few places were edited.  the ones to prove the doctrine of the trinity.  that's all that i know about.  the rest can be checked with the dead sea scrolls for old testament.  and many aramaic and greek copies of the new testament.  scribes copied various books and the bible was not fully put together until centuries later - so we have many many single books to check with.

i believe some scholars who actually put together what is now known as the 'holy bible' did edit out some books that they did not feel put their personal doctrines to the fore.  there are extra biblical books that were probably inspired - but not necessarily meant to be the 'backbone' of what is the 'gospel' or the 'gospel of the kingdom of God' - and told more about the history of people, times, and places.  for instance, the gospel of judas.  some believe it is true.  others a forgery.  it really doesn't matter because - judas did not follow Jesus at the end.  and yet, some or all of the book may mean that judas personally felt that he was chosen to carry out God's designs.  one can only speculate that perhaps judas in his last moments was extremely sad and that is why he hanged himself.  but, if Jesus is all powerful - why would he not save one of his own disciples even if he did the WORST and betrayed Him.  as i see it - nothing is beyond God.  grace and mercy prevail over the worst sinners even if they repent at the last moment.

[thalbergmad]

judas did not follow Jesus at the end

Some of his other mates buggered off as well if memory serves.

Thal

[shortyshort]

one can only speculate

Yes, indeed.

[pianistimo]

good point!  and, also - when jesus made the promise that his twelve disciples would have twelve thrones judging the house of israel - perhaps judas was included at this point.  there are other scriptures that mention him being cut-off - but i think this refers to his literal geneology.  he died.  he had no progeny - but this does not mean that he could not have sincerely been kept as one of the original twelve.  perhaps he sufferred more than we realize.  after all - Jesus chose him (saying whoever will dip his bread with me) by lot - and did not seem to ascribe evilness to him before that point.  i guess Jesus wanted to make sure that he gave himself as a willing sacrifice and that the romans really didn't have as much power as they thought they did over his life.  that He gave it up.  if this is so - then Judas has as much chance of being ressurrected and saved as peter - who denied Christ three times.

[thalbergmad]

Sometimes i miss all this religious drivel.

Well done to Sister Susan for her funny posts.

Thal

[shortyshort]

Sometimes i miss all this religious drivel.

Do you really miss it Thal ??

[thalbergmad]

Yeh, sometimes.

Some of her theories have me wetting myself with laughter.

Who can forget the famous "6000 year old Earth" theory and the hugely amusing "The Grand Canyon was formed 2000 years ago" theory.

Let us not forget the rib tickling Revelations predictions.

She should consider a career in comedy writing.

Perhaps, Roy "Chubby" Brown would be interested. I will send him an e mail with a link to this forum.

Thal

[pianistimo]

what i think might be sorta funny and sad is the eyes of people who see a literal ressurrection of 'dry bones' in ezekiel. i mean - to actually see people ressurected. that is like some kind of alien story.  but, Jesus Christ was the first ' of many brethren.'

as i see it - either the bible is all stories - or all of it is true.  and whether the grand canyon was carved by two floods (one at creation and one at the time of noah) - only God knows.  but, no small river created the grand canyon (and 2000 years ago is not what i said).  the flood happened way before 2000 years ago.  massive amount of water formed it.  just as with the scablands in washington state - and iceland.  look at those and figure how they could have been formed.  underwater tornados is the theory.  this would be from tons of water.

[thalbergmad]

Very funny, keep it up

What is in store for the World for the rest of the year?

What does Revelations tell us?

Thal

[shortyshort]

Yeh, sometimes.

Some of her theories have me wetting myself with laughter.

Who can forget the famous "6000 year old Earth" theory and the hugely amusing "The Grand Canyon was formed 2000 years ago" theory.

Let us not forget the rib tickling Revelations predictions.

She should consider a career in comedy writing.

Perhaps, Roy "Chubby" Brown would be interested. I will send him an e mail with a link to this forum.

Thal

But this forum is riddled with her nonsense. It's like a cancer. She does sometimes cut some of the cancer out herself, but she usually does that to her occasional interesting posts.

Susan, please edit this type of post before posting it.

[pianistimo]

as i said - my unbiblical prediction is very large hail for july.  of course, if it happened - i'd just say - 'odd weather is God's way of saying - i'm over here!'

God isn't about prediction as much as He is warning.  i believe people have free will and that this shows God's willingness to be merciful if people listen to him.  why else would he send jonah to ninevah.  He'd have just said - 'woah, this is fun - wiping out people.'

the thing is - noah spent 100 years doing just that - and people thought he was mad.  for obeying God.

[shortyshort]

as i said - my unbiblical prediction is very large hail for july.  of course, if it happened - i'd just say - 'odd weather is God's way of saying - i'm over here!'

When you see him, Can you ask for lots of sunshine in England this summer.

[pianistimo]

i don't know about england's latitude as compared with anchorage, alaska - but i do believe the weather has become considerable hotter.  in fact, some areas able to grow certain kinds of produce that were never before grown.  such as grapes and the like.  not sure about england. 

[thalbergmad]

'odd weather is God's way of saying - i'm over here!'

Could be God's way of saying - "i have no control"

Thal

[pianistimo]

perhaps people are the ones with 'no control.'  i don't think God has to worry about weather.  here are some predictions for june from farmer's almanac.  i personally - think that God is saying 'you want to see something you've never seen before...'  and that is why i think the hail will also occur in july.  have no idea if farmer's almanac predicted it for july - but i believe it has been for june.  how do they know?  ask them?  not being a weather forcaster - it's hard for me to say - excepting that melting ice-packs combined with global warming weather conditions made one newsanchor also predict MUCH higher ocean waters and a receding of our coastlands. 

https://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather/uszone4.html

[thalbergmad]

wow

[shortyshort]

Perhaps all the predicted bad weather for The USA is God punishing you all for destroying the Native American way of life.

[tds]

oh, what have i done to this thread!?

kindly back to topic lovely folks. tds

[shortyshort]

oh, what have i done to this thread!?

kindly back to topic lovely folks. tds

Yes, you are a naughty boy. Shame on you. And may god strike you down with more pianistimo posts.

[ahinton]

And may god strike you down with more pianistimo posts.

Do you believe in God, then?

Best,

Alistair

[tds]

And may god strike you down with more pianistimo posts.

quote of the week!

[pianistimo]

hmm.  what shall i post about now?  farmer's almanac doesn't seem so thrilling to thal.  anyways - i just find it sorta interesting that they dont' really say on what basis they think june will have hail.  maybe it's a 'repeat' phenomenon from last year?  but, seriously, how often does hail accompany tornados in mid-summer?  just wondering.  perhaps i am way off and tornados and hail mid-summer has always been around.

btw, 1/2 the carpets in the house are now clean. you see - i can work.

ok. latest obsession with the irrational number 'pie.'  none of the digits in pie repeat (sequence).  even to the billions.  now - what i'd like to know is who came up with the idea that circumference over diameter could be equalled by area over radius squared.  aren't there some pieces of this doubled square that are either too much or too little to fit the circle?  and, why does the wikipedia version of pie keep it at 1" diameter.  you see- pie has to be in a box.  if you let it out of the box it's explosive.  that's the way it is with irrational things.  wikipedia claims that pies properties can handle the measurement of things as large as the earth's equator to the discrepancy of only 2 millimeters.  but, has someone actually put a measuring tape around the earth to find this out?  where does wikipedia get their information?  i want this proven.

my theory is that pie changes incrementally as one goes further out into space with larger and larger circles - but then dramatically without gravity.  basically turning circles into elipses.  try pie on elipse and then tell me what it is all you smart geniuses. why would one have to change the 'pie' of an ellipse if it has the very same area as the circle it started.  i think the area changes - actually - but in any case - the circumference would be the same.  how can area change and the circumference not?  *do they call the outside of an elipse the circumference?

and how does one get a 'cone' measurement into an ellipse?  ellipses are flat, too, when measured - aren't they.  why do they bring cones into this?  is this their way of explaining the extra area without change in circumference?

btw, i did not read anything about either circles or ellipses - excepting after my questions came into my head (from wikipedia).

[thalbergmad]

but, has someone actually put a measuring tape around the earth to find this out? 

I am not a scientist, but i don't think that is the method used.

Thak

[pianistimo]

ok.  perhaps the shuttle measured it in a once around.  plotting a line for so many miles.  but the shuttle would have to travel equally from the earth the entire way around.  i thought as they orbit they either pull closer or move farther away.  is there any plotting system that can accurately measure the entire equator?  to 2 millimeters?

i like science - but some of this seems as preposterous to me as some things in the bible to others.  like people living 900 years.  but, hey - if we found a body that we could identify with some sort of age defining feature - we might discover that some people truly lived a looonng time.  are there any 'age defining' tests that are used now in autopsies?

[thalbergmad]

You are either acting stupid or you actually are.

Thal

[pianistimo]

just asking a question - in all seriousness. scientists don't have any more answers than theologians.  they're both taking walks where they don't know everything.  therefore - they shouldn't pretend they do.

faith doesn't equal science.  science isn't God.  there are some things that are unmeasureable.  we don't know everything.  that's not stupid.  it's realistic.

WHY CANNOT ONE MEASURE A CIRCLE EXACTLY THE SAME WAY FOR AN ELLIPSE.  simple question, ok?

[thalbergmad]

scientists don't have any more answers than theologians.  they're both taking walks where they don't know everything.  therefore - they shouldn't pretend they do.

Horsecrap.

Science is based on things that are measurable and theories that can be proved by observation.

Theologians have nothng but a Bronze Age book of nonesense.

A whole world of difference.

Thal

[pianistimo]

physicists are, as we speak, taking richard dawkings to task.  supposedly black holes would reveal information about the big bang.  alot of horsecrap that was.  you can't see what you are looking for.  therefore it is unanalyzable.

now, back to circles and ellipses.  how can two have the SAME circumference and a different area.  simple question.  i just want a simple answer!  ok.

why wouldn't pie be the same for the circle and ellipse - if pie is a relatively constant number?  BECAUSE IT's NOT CONSTANT.  at least in my pin head mind - it's not.  what's the matter with pie? it's an irrational number and a figment of the imagination.  albeit - it works when the circle = 1.  one what?  undefinable term there.  roll it forward to the same spot - do the same with the elllipse.  same circumference.  different area.  what is going on?

and - for the record - NOBDY knows the circumference of the equator.  i will argue that one into the ground.  add a rock in one place - and you've just messed the measurement.  we would need to know the circumference of the earth with a smooth surface.  duh.

wikipedia - think again. unless of course- someone has accurately determined the exact dimensions of holes in the ocean and mass to all the mountains.

[thalbergmad]

and - for the record - NOBDY knows the circumference of the equator.  i will argue that one into the ground.  add a rock in one place - and you've just messed the measurement.  we would need to know the circumference of the earth with a smooth surface.  duh.

wikipedia - think again.

hmmm, let me think.

Could we perhaps use sea level?

And yes, you argue everything into the ground even when you have been proved wrong a thousand times.

Thal

[pianistimo]

no.  we cannot use sea level because it is irrelevant.  we are talking mass of earth.  circumference of the earth.  what other situation can you mass water together and measure it's circumference?  we have nothing to compare the measurement by.

how does one measure how old a person is at the age of death?  gold teeth?  there must be some kind of measurement.

[thalberg]

Horsecrap.

Science is based on things that are measurable and theories that can be proved by observation.

Theologians have nothng but a Bronze Age book of nonesense.

A whole world of difference.

Thal

Wow!!!!  My goodness this thread took off while I was sleeping.  Okay Thalbergmad, I love you 'cause you're like my twin around here, but science is not based on things that are measurable and theories that can be proved by observation.  It CLAIMS it is based on those things.   But what about evolution?  Measurable? Observable?  Provable?  Repeatable?  Nope!  I sense the world of "science" is guilty of....could it be?......hypocrisy!!  Claiming to have absolute truth but just feeding us made up stories.  At least you can't accuse the bible of that.

(see Susan, I can be inflammatory, too! )

[ahinton]

Er - thread topic, anyone?...

Yawn...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

no.  we cannot use sea level because it is irrelevant.  we are talking mass of earth.  circumference of the earth.  what other situation can you mass water together and measure it's circumference?  we have nothing to compare the measurement by.

Well, what are you going to use then. Are you going to take your measurement from the top of Mount Everest or the botton of the Mariana Trench?

I don't understand what you are on about here, which is not exactly startling.

Eratosthenes made a reasonably accurate measurement at a time when your sandal wearing, goat hearding, brain dead, Bronze Age nomads were still awaiting the Messiah.

There are several sites which you can learn about measuring the circumference of the Earth, some of which are designed for 6 year olds. Some might be suitable for you.

Bye

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Claiming to have absolute truth but just feeding us made up stories.  At least you can't accuse the bible of that.

Of course not, perish the thought.

Thal

[ahinton]

we're still talking about thalberg and thalbergmad - are we not?

Well, I hope that "we" are - and, if so, that must mean that we are no longer discussing (if ever we did discuss in the first place) all that Biblical material that you introduced into the proceedings...

Best,

Alistair

[thalberg]

Why is it that when someone is not trying to be inflammatory, everyone gets all mad? But when I try intentionally to be inflammatory, everyone (that's you, Alistair) deliberately deprives me of my amusement?

 

But okay, back to  the topic.  I am not Thalbergmad.