who has the leadership genes

[mycrabface]

this is a sexist topic. how come men seem to get the leadership positions? i mean its not like men make good decisions....

[shortyshort]

yes we do.

[prometheus]

It's the glass sealing.


Also, because one makes good decisions that doesn't mean one can also become a leader more easily or more often.


The main reason why there are many male leaders is because often those that are to select the new leader are males.

[counterpoint]

The meanest person will get the job.

And men are much meaner than women.

(This isn't true for all men and all women  )

[pianistimo]

mycrabface, are you seeking a management position?  sometimes people think they can manage without taking classes and getting the skills.  it's like learning the art of seduction except backwards.  you basically go around insulting people to get them to work harder for you.  threaten them occasionally (backhandedly) that they might get laid off.  and so forth.  it's not a job that i would want.  you are motivating the company to make more money.

i'd rather go for some kind of leadership position in a summer camp.   say a fitness camp.  to me that would be fun and non-threatening.  you just go with the average movement and don't single out the slow ones and 'fire' them. 

i think leadership is not about a position - but about thinking ahead.  if you always have plan B C D E - people respect you.  even in music.  you are reliable.

btw, there are management courses that you can complete online.  my husband did one last year.  was joking about being mean - because actually they teach you how to be the most polite and get people to side with you because they respect you and your willingness to listen and communicate effectively. 

[thalbergmad]

Men don't bugger off and have babies all the time, so are a lot more reliable and more suitable for leadership roles.

Thal

[prometheus]

Not all woman have babies. And I can name some woman that take high positions while having babies at the same time.


Surely having children is bad for a woman's career. But that's not the main reason.

[thalbergmad]

I can name some woman that take high positions while having babies at the same time.

Would be difficult:

Come on ppuuuuuuuuuuuuussssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, breathe deeply.

Oh and can you check these invoices.

Thal

[mycrabface]

The main reason why there are many male leaders is because often those that are to select the new leader are males.

oh ok

And men are much meaner than women.

Yeah right

[mycrabface]

mycrabface, are you seeking a management position?  sometimes people think they can manage without taking classes and getting the skills.  it's like learning the art of seduction except backwards.  you basically go around insulting people to get them to work harder for you.  threaten them occasionally (backhandedly) that they might get laid off.  and so forth.  it's not a job that i would want.  you are motivating the company to make more money.

i'd rather go for some kind of leadership position in a summer camp.   say a fitness camp.  to me that would be fun and non-threatening.  you just go with the average movement and don't single out the slow ones and 'fire' them. 

i think leadership is not about a position - but about thinking ahead.  if you always have plan B C D E - people respect you.  even in music.  you are reliable.

btw, there are management courses that you can complete online.  my husband did one last year.  was joking about being mean - because actually they teach you how to be the most polite and get people to side with you because they respect you and your willingness to listen and communicate effectively. 

No I'm not.. I'm just wondering why most superpowers in the world are male

[quasimodo]

I don’t know if it’s scientifically evidenced by rigorous statistics but, some Scientists allege that women who succeed in gaining power are those who have a higher rate of male hormones…

[zheer]

why most superpowers in the world are male

  Because Most men,(not all), like to have POWER.

[Derek]

I'd never seek a management position. At least not at my company. They are incredibly disorganized. I'd much rather be a craftsman doing actual valuable work for the company, even if I get paid less. It is more interesting and engaging, and keeps me sane. Trying to manage projects would make me go completely nuts. In a way, those who do the real work are the true leaders. If it weren't for them, whatever was being managed wouldn't happen. Most managers I've met seem so fake and have this put on personality for schmoozing with others. I can't relate to that sort of behavior, and am completely incapable of it. Just give me real work and leave me alone, I say.

[prometheus]

Yes, it seems there are more males than females stupid enough to want power.

[rc]

It's popular to dislike those in power...  But what's so stupid about it?

I think many who come to power are there because they want to do good in whatever the field may be, there are many selfish leaders too, no doubt...  But for all their faults, it's those in power and their predecessors we have to thank for the standard of living we enjoy.

[mycrabface]

I don’t know if it’s scientifically evidenced by rigorous statistics but, some Scientists allege that women who succeed in gaining power are those who have a higher rate of male hormones…

but why??? actually its not just the leadership genes that make someone a leader. he/she needs to be popular too.. at least have more supporters than other leaders in the running.

[mycrabface]

I'd never seek a management position. At least not at my company. They are incredibly disorganized. I'd much rather be a craftsman doing actual valuable work for the company, even if I get paid less. It is more interesting and engaging, and keeps me sane. Trying to manage projects would make me go completely nuts. In a way, those who do the real work are the true leaders. If it weren't for them, whatever was being managed wouldn't happen. Most managers I've met seem so fake and have this put on personality for schmoozing with others. I can't relate to that sort of behavior, and am completely incapable of it. Just give me real work and leave me alone, I say.

Uhh... Where you from? Venice? Heh just joking okay...

[quasimodo]

but why??? actually its not just the leadership genes that make someone a leader. he/she needs to be popular too.. at least have more supporters than other leaders in the running.

You're talking specifically about political leaders ?

[prometheus]

It's popular to dislike those in power...  But what's so stupid about it?

Why would anyone want power?

It's just total irrational behavior which comes with a lot of disadvantages. World leaders do work very hard and they are very very busy. Well, most of them.

So it's not that they are selfish, on the contrary. For some the selfishness comes in to play only after they got into power.

But for all their faults, it's those in power and their predecessors we have to thank for the standard of living we enjoy.

You mean thanks to those that did the actual work.

It's not like world leaders do anything important. Most of what they do is solve the problems they create themselves. Like the G8. "How can we minimalize the world poverty we are generating." Same with climate change or war and conflict.

[prometheus]

but why??? actually its not just the leadership genes that make someone a leader. he/she needs to be popular too.. at least have more supporters than other leaders in the running.

They don't need to be popular. According to Machiavelli a leader needs to be loved and feared. But it is better to be feared than loved, as long as you are not hated.

[pianistimo]

idi amin believed that.  he forced people to act like they didn't hate him.  look what happened to him.

taking care of masses of people means looking ahead, not being selfish, etc. everyone was so angry at imelda marcos for sneaking all those shoes when people were starving.  perhaps leadership means caring about the people under you as they were your own personal family.

now, all the gravesites they are finding of women/children that were kurdish.  saddam wasn't very loving either.  they were all shot in the back of the head.  even the children.

as i see it - making provision for everyone in a country is much better than flaming racial stuff.  people think that brings them popularity.  all it does is make them look bad later - because those that are suppressed eventually get even.

[prometheus]

People need to honestly love you. Maybe it will help if everyone believes everyone else loves you, but the aim is to be really loved.

I don't know about Idi Amin. So I can't say if he followed Machiavelli's teaching.


And if he did the only thing that would achieve is him being longer in power. So ethical objections are obvious but from their point of view incorrect.


Also, it is ironic to see that some people were very cruel undermine their own rule. Hussain was hated, so that's bad. If you are feared and hated you might have a problem if they don't fear you enough.

[mycrabface]

You're talking specifically about political leaders ?

no. oh come on man.. think out of the box.. it doesn't have to be political leaders. i mean leaders in general.

[prometheus]

All leaders must be engaged in politics.

[allthumbs]

The meanest person will get the job.

And men are much meaner than women.

(This isn't true for all men and all women  )

That's probably why things are so messed up in the world.

There's always some conflict somewhere. I think that if more women had power, they would be able to sit down in a summit meeting and work things out instead of blowing the sh*t out of each other.

The world would be a more peaceful place.


allthumbs

[pianistimo]

i used to think that - but can you imagine hillary clinton and nancy pelosi doing that?  perhaps they are buddies already - but if they got mean ...what would they do?  waste a lot of time getting even, probably.

[prometheus]

The world would be a more peaceful place.

If we look at history then you will see that female leaders go to war just as easily as men. Now it may be that those females that make it to the top are just more masculine and thus also have the masculine trait of violence and starting wars.


But female rulers that came to power through hereditary systems seem to be no different.




We could try to put children in power. Or just no one at all.

[allthumbs]

If we look at history then you will see that female leaders go to war just as easily as men. Now it may be that those females that make it to the top are just more masculine and thus also have the masculine trait of violence and starting wars.


But female rulers that came to power through hereditary systems seem to be no different.

True enough, but maybe let them do all the actual combat.

We could try to put children in power.

I think you've hit on something here. 


allthumbs

[thalbergmad]

We could try to put children in power. Or just no one at all.

I would put cats in power.

Things would be a lot more chilled.

Thal

[zheer]

Now it may be that those females that make it to the top are just more masculine and thus also have the masculine trait of violence and starting wars.

    I've never though of violence and starting war as something masculine, though i dont doubt that those that do "make it to the top" by hook or by crook do tend to be more violent/cunning than most people.

  Its a combination of things,gene, up-bringing,personality, enviroment.

[rc]

You mean thanks to those that did the actual work.

I'd never trivialize the efforts of workers.  I also recognize the efforts of those who lead them, organize their efforts, bring them work, distribute their products.  There is power in being responsible for more than one livelihood.

On the political end it's generally pretty slow moving, for good reason, their decisions effect millions.  To move too fast could be disasterous.  It seems the more a decision effects, the slower it moves.

I agree that sometimes a big idea with good intentions winds up being completely sterile.