This performance converted me to Schumann

[opus10no2]

https://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=EI7HcsUtolg

[pianistimo]

you're easily converted.  she has talent - but no maturity yet.  kinda rushed, i'd say.  but, i'd like to hear her play on a grand that was in tune and not so terribly sharp in the treble.  just a little - but, not this sharp.  ugh.  it's like fingernails on a chalkboard - that alone. 

refined schumann.  that's what we need here. 

[pet]

I agree with pianistimo..  I've played this piece, and it's not supposed to be played THAT fast...geez...what is this a marathon?   Also, she's bringing out too many of the notes, and it sounds cluttered...in the midst of all of those notes, there is a melody.

She reminds me of myself when I was younger....played everything fast with no type of music.  I would also like to hear her play this piece on a grand because that upright is not cutting it..

[jlh]

I was looking forward to a phenomenal performance... 

[mcgillcomposer]

You can't even hear what's going on...it just sounds like a bunch of random notes played as quickly as possibly. You might as well enter it into Finale and play it back...at least it will be cleaner that way.

[rach n bach]

... she has talent - but no maturity yet.  kinda rushed, i'd say....

... it's not supposed to be played THAT fast...geez...what is this a marathon?   ...

...it just sounds like a bunch of random notes played as quickly as possibly. ...

Wake up people... it's Comme

[mikey6]

I've played this piece, and it's not supposed to be played THAT fast...geez...what is this a marathon?  

I too have played this piece, but I disagree, it's to be played as fast as possible! then faster and faster!












but before we enter into debate, I understand your point, but I would have worded it differently.

[opus10no2]

Are people trying to say that Schumann didn't foresee this kind of speed actually being possible?

[mcgillcomposer]

Are people trying to say that Schumann didn't foresee this kind of speed actually being possible?

Not at all. It's the fact that she doesn't shape the music; she totally ignores the entire concept of phrasing. Music should breathe and sing...this is suffocated.

[Kassaa]

LOOOOOOOOL HER SECOND THEME

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,23563.0.html

self promoting, true, but it's 100 times better .

[pet]

Mikey6:  I'm glad you understood what I meant.  Yes, I should have worded it differently.  I think because this pianist brings out every note, it seems faster to me.  And that second theme....ugh...I have no words.  But yes, it should be played as fast as possible..

Kassaa:  lolol...yes her second theme is very bad....it's a romantic piece for goodness sake!  Loved the recording!  I play this piece at the same tempo.  I guess when you bring out the melody and keep all the other notes quiet, it doesn't seem as fast.  Did you record any of the other movements?  I would love to hear them!  (Especially that last one....that almost killed my hands...lol)

[ramseytheii]

I too have played this piece, but I disagree, it's to be played as fast as possible! then faster and faster!

No, that's the last mvmt

Walter Ramsey

[counterpoint]

No, that's the last mvmt

Walter Ramsey

The last movement is a Rondo, it's tempo signature is Presto, the last page is Prestissimo.

The "as fast as possible" movement (So rasch wie möglich) which then gets faster and faster is the 1st movement 

[cmg]

Not at all. It's the fact that she doesn't shape the music; she totally ignores the entire concept of phrasing. Music should breathe and sing...this is suffocated.

Opus,

Re-read mcgillcomposer's comment one more time. 

In your preoccupaton with speed you have overlooked the fact that all of us instrumentalists are really trying to sound like singers.  The human voice is the first instrument and the foremost one.  Breath, phrasing.  Music must breathe, even in presto passages.  Keep singers in mind when you perform at the piano.  It will give you a new perspective on musicality.

And listen to tons of opera sung by the best artists.  Listen to what they do with phrases.  How breath supports and dicates what they CAN do with phrases.

[arensky]

Are people trying to say that Schumann didn't foresee this kind of speed actually being possible?

I think he did, all those markings like "as fast as possible" and then "faster still", which I believe are in the last mvt. of this sonata, and also the frightening abundance of difficult figurations throughout his early piano music. Like Liszt and Chopin, he was set on creating a new transcendental piano technique, inspired by Paganini. But he wanted it to be expressive and beautiful, and Ms. Kim for all her speed, energy, mech and fury is utterly lacking in this aspect of the music. Schumann's music is literally bipolar, it veers between extremes of fast violence and almost free tempo fluffy cloud music, if you will. (Florestan and Eusebius, his literary and musical alter egos).

Glad you like Schumann now. Now you should listen to Richter's and Lazar Berman's recordings of this piece, if you haven't already....

[franzliszt2]

That is just riddiculous. Come on! Total lack of artistry, and a riddiculous speed race. What about tone production? ok it's not a good piano, but take a look at the technique she's employing, low elbows, high wrists, curved fingers, yes all great ways of producing a fantastic sound 

I might have guessed it would be a fast movement of the sonata as well. Have you ever tried listening to a great p;ayer like Richter play the fantasy? If you want Schumann playing get that recording. I seen Murray Perahia play Schumann a while ago and that was breathytaking, with stunng control over sound and amazing maturity. Scumann is all about sound, and the fact that you have mentioned speed in his music shows your total last or knowledge and comple unworthyness of his music.

[franzliszt2]

Have you listened to the Prokofiev 7? haha peeeeddddalll spppppeeeeeddd!! nooooo sound qualityyyyyyyy, but all will be fine!! My stopwatch is ticking away! new persoanl best! It's not even that fast and look at the effort! And this sort of player can convert opus10no2 to Schumann!    Would anyone here guess her Prokofiev was in 7? I certainly wouldn't, the lack of rhythm is repulsive! And how on earth can anyone start prok7 3rd mvt with hands ON the piano before. You can't even start to prepare the position, you have to start with the hands way above the piano to generate the power and the theatrical effect. I also guess she doesn't have a piano tuner at her disposal?

And the Islamey?

Honestly, why?? Do people have any pride these days? They are all awful! Why even listen to them? Why are they worthy of taking time to listen to them?

[cloches_de_geneve]

You can't be serious.

[franzliszt2]

Well I couldn't be totally serious, I'd get banned from here if I give my full and proper opinion on the performance 

[opus10no2]

Please do so .

[pita bread]

Well I couldn't be totally serious, I'd get banned from here if I give my full and proper opinion on the performance 

Hahaha concurred.

[franzliszt2]

Her performance is accompnied by this sort of scraping sound in the distance, almost as if...it's Schumann turning in his grave!

Who teaches these people? Any teacher would just say stop playing like that! You'll get nowhere in life.

[hodi]

in one word: awful.

[hodi]

wow, her islamey is incredibly fast! https://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ZorUzfQBzQ0 

[franzliszt2]

Yes and half the notes are missing and she accents every 1st note of 3 in the intro!! and it doesn't sound very Russian!

[cloches_de_geneve]

Slight misunderstanding here ... my "you can't be serious" of course referred to op 10/2 being converted to Schumann by such a performance.

[dnephi]

Yea.  Schumann is far from pianistically effective.  I believe his masterpieces in Chamber music, lieder, and orchestral works far outweigh his weaker piano pieces.

[mcgillcomposer]

Yea.  Schumann is far from pianistically effective.  I believe his masterpieces in Chamber music, lieder, and orchestral works far outweigh his weaker piano pieces.

No, not pianistically effective at all... *groans* ... he only had the best sense of register on the piano out of any composer in history.

[ramseytheii]

No, not pianistically effective at all... *groans* ... he only had the best sense of register on the piano out of any composer in history.

Then what do you mean, he wasn't pianistically effective?

Give us more!

Walter Ramsey

[mcgillcomposer]

Then what do you mean, he wasn't pianistically effective?

Give us more!

Walter Ramsey

I was being sarcastic; Schumann's piano music is wonderful and VERY pianistically effective (whatever that means lol). I was responding to a previous post.

[ramseytheii]

I was being sarcastic; Schumann's piano music is wonderful and VERY pianistically effective (whatever that means lol). I was responding to a previous post.

Oops, my bad!

Walter Ramsey