Music analogies (inspired by soliloquy's IQ analogies)

[thalberg]

I switched out the Agnes de Mille question.

Korgold's father was a music publisher.  De Mille's father was a playwright.  I was going for the father-occupation thing.  Someone at my school gave a presentation on Korngold, saying his father was a music publisher.  Wikipedia says he was a music critic rather than a publisher.  I do not understand this inconsistency.

Nevertheless, the new question 6 is much better because it deals specifically with piano repertoire and there can be no inconsistency about it.

[retrouvailles]

6. Chopin 2nd Ballade : Robert Schumann :: Beethoven Emperor Concerto : Archduke Rudolf

[Kassaa]

6 chopbal2=dedicated to schumann, Emperor concerto=Archduke Rudolf?

Edit jre I didn't see your post before I posted mine lol

[retrouvailles]

Yup, you're too slow.

[thalberg]

Yes!  Archduke Rudolf.  Gosh, that was fast.  I didn't realize you'd get it so easily.  You know your dedications!

[retrouvailles]

Number 7 is a toughie though.

[thalberg]

Hmmm.....really?  The answer ought to be in an undergrad text book.  I suspect it's even in Grout.  Not the Schenker thing, but the answer......

I see though it might be sort of a toughie, because how do you look that sort of thing up.

[leahcim]

Oh yes! You're right.  I thought that was you.  I will change it.

No, don't, because I didn't give the correct answer.

I was merely saying that the 7th we had in either 1 b3 b5 b7 or 1 3 b5 b7 [i.e the "7 flat 5" chord I gave as the (wrong) answer] is a dominant 7th and not a maj 7th. I was talking about the interval of the note.

Of course, the 7th in a 7th chord [aka dominant 7th chord] also has a dominant 7th, hence its name. But I didn't give that /chord/ as an answer. I'd just sharpened the 3rd [and the first time I tried to do that I did it incorrectly because I had sharpened the 7th too by mistake to a major 7th. For that matter I got it wrong the 2nd time as well when I replied to Michael. It was only when I looked again and finally did it in the edit:, but it was still wrong anyway]

So.....was the answer to number one too annoying or was it okay?

Not annoying. Arbitrary and capricious perhaps.

"It's like Question : Vikings came to Britain in...?"

and we're posting "err, 2000 bc" "err, long boats?" "err, search of food"

and you're saying "no" "no" "no", "ok, times up it was 'large numbers' "

I'd not say bingo to many of these. I can find earlier pianos with 4 pedals and even one with 5 pedals, and earlier pianos with 4 strings, as well as the 2 I gave. Why one 4 string and not the other?

I found 2 pianists that wear red socks - why that one and not the other?

For the other test, I generally knew which word to take from the sometimes 30 or so possible synonyms the dictionary / thesaurus offered.

Or, more often, when I saw someone else's answer I knew the word I'd taken was wrong and why. Not because the author of the test came along and said 'This is what I was thinking...'

For "bingo" you'd have to explain why one of those answers is specifically better than the others [even if that is the case purely in the context of the question or the test itself] and how someone [who doesn't know the answers beforehand] could have seen / determined that was what you were looking for.

Otherwise we're just throwing chord names until we get the one you picked.

e.g For a crossword puzzle, the right answer is usually known because the analogy fits in the number of spaces and with the letters already provided by other answers.

For the other analogy test there was usually some similar link that distinguished between a choice of several words, that, without the context, would have just been synonyms and could have been argued to be valid answers had the strong link not existed.

To me "talked about in the right class" just says that it's a valid answer. You've shown logic, but you haven't shown why your answer is right for this test rather than the other logical answers given. It just seems to be your arbitrary choice. We can't read your mind. With the other test we didn't need to.

That said, it's just a bit of fun, so it doesn't matter, but you did ask

TBH that you said in the other thread, submitting answers over and over to a multiple choice IQ test until you get every one correct or asking someone else what the answer is and why, showed that the IQ test is rubbish doesn't immediately suggest that you'll appreciate the difference between knowing what the right answer is and why and, the far easier task, of knowing what the right answer is and why

For fun test it doesn't matter [except I think seeing that difference is required as part of the role of 'deciding what the questions and right answers are going to be and why']

For something like science and maths there's a huge difference between the two. On one hand the smartest dudes might struggle for years to know the answer, but afterwards, it can quickly become trivial to show others [and perhaps even taught to school kids or googled by buffoons like myself]

[thalberg]

It seems your objections were regarding the red socks, the bluthner, and the dominant seventh chord.  The other questions were fine, no?

Well, the Bluthner is a mass produced piano discussed in Larry Fine's book.  I consider it main stream.  The other pianos you are talking about, I have never heard of.  If they are main stream also and I just lack knowledge, I apologize.

In terms of the socks, it's the same story.  I consider Thibaudet to be a famous A-list pianist.  The other pianist I have never heard of.  If he is extremely famous and I lack knowledge I apologize.

EXPLANATION FOR QUESTION 1:

And in terms of the chord, you thought that raising the third was the answer.  That answer is totally invalid.  Sometimes, people may describe a major chord as a minor chord with a raised third.  Like in the example of a picardy third--you're expecting minor, but you get major.  So the third is raised.  But under no circumstances, at any time, ever, would someone describe a dom 7 with a flat 5 as a "half diminished chord with a raised third."  Same for French 6th.  So for question 1, there is only one answer.

Major: 037
Minor: 037

half dim : 0258
Dom 7: 0258

It's a "bingo."

If Bluthner is the most famous four-stringed pianist, and Thibaudet is the most famous red-socked pianist, then those answers would be best IMO.  I was under the impression that this was the case.

But you're right, I did ask for feedback, so thank you.  And it is all just for fun, of course.

[thalberg]

To me "talked about in the right class" just says that it's a valid answer. You've shown logic, but you haven't shown why your answer is right for this test rather than the other logical answers given. It just seems to be your arbitrary choice. We can't read your mind. With the other test we didn't need to.

That said, it's just a bit of fun, so it doesn't matter, but you did ask

TBH that you said in the other thread, submitting answers over and over to a multiple choice IQ test until you get every one correct or asking someone else what the answer is and why, showed that the IQ test is rubbish doesn't immediately suggest that you'll appreciate the difference between knowing what the right answer is and why and, the far easier task, of knowing what the right answer is and why

You're right, it was for fun.  But I hope that in my above post I showed why my answer for number 1 is the only right answer.

In the case of red socks or extra strings, you may have some leniency, but you cannot accuse me of any faulty logic on the theory questions.  You may continue to try.  I can defend my answers as the only valid ones. 

[ronde_des_sylphes]

In the case of the red socks, I've got to say I thought the question was fine, because the moment I saw it I thought "Thibaudet". Even if I got nit-picky and said that I think he now wears purple I'm sure many years ago one of his fan sites even had photos of the red socks. Maybe it still does.

Just looked. It does: https://www.ffaire.com/thibaudet/jytred1.html

[thalberg]

In the case of the red socks, I've got to say I thought the question was fine, because the moment I saw it I thought "Thibaudet". Even if I got nit-picky and said that I think he now wears purple I'm sure many years ago one of his fan sites even had photos of the red socks. Maybe it still does.

Just looked. It does: https://www.ffaire.com/thibaudet/jytred1.html

HAHA  THANK YOU!!  Yes, with the red socks and the bluthner, people got those right away, so I can't see people being upset.

All the frustration revolves around the first question, which now I believe I have defended adequately as having only one answer.

Haha Thibaudet is so funny.  What a talent, though......geesh, he's amazing. 

[mike_lang]

All the frustration revolves around the first question, which now I believe I have defended adequately as having only one answer.

Yes, you most certainly have.  That was a rather well-conceived analogy - thank you!

Best,
ML

[thalberg]

Yes, you most certainly have.  That was a rather well-conceived analogy - thank you!

Best,
ML

You seem like a very nice person.

[thalberg]

For leachim, from the Thibaudet web site:

"It all started some years ago at the Spoleto festival in South Carolina. He was in a rush to get dressed for a noontime concert when he discovered the only socks he had on hand were a red pair. He wore them anyway, thinking no one would notice. It caused a stir but delighted many. Indeed, it was a hit!

Having found the best place to shop for the world's best red socks - a shop in the Vatican called Gamerelli* - he began to wear them to most all his concerts. And "Red socks" thus became a Thibaudet trademark. They were his "lucky socks," so to speak, for they worked like a charm. "

Find me another pianist for whom red socks are advertised as a trademark.  (I do understand he now wears purple, however.)



No guesses at all have been made for question number 7.  Leachim, there is only one answer to it, so you don't have to be afraid.

[amanfang]

#7.

Schenker's music theory "reacted" against Rameau's theory of harmonic movement in favor of looking at linear (both short-range and long-range) progressions.

[thalberg]

#7.

Schenker's music theory "reacted" against Rameau's theory of harmonic movement in favor of looking at linear (both short-range and long-range) progressions.

WOW!! You got it.  Rameau.  Very good!  No one else could get that, it seems.

Linear intervallic patterns were first introduced by Schenker, triad inversions were first introduced by Rameau.

[retrouvailles]

Aww, and I was going to guess Rameau! One contribution is good enough though.

[thalberg]

Aww, and I was going to guess Rameau! One contribution is good enough though.

Well, I did add two questions.  You could reply to one of those.

Also, I could create more questions if people want.  I bet I could come up with some fun ones.

[leahcim]

For leachim, from the Thibaudet web site:

Yes, I know. I got the answer right