Who does everyone think the best early twentieth century Russian Avant-Garde composer is?I think it is Feinberg, followed by Mosolov than Lyatoshynsky.
ummm well yeah. modernism died a while ago, we're post modern now. and i think we're on the way out from there. just names to describe periods of art.
I wouldn't call Feinberg a Soviet avant-garde composer, nor would I call Lyatoshinsky as such. They were both rather romantic in style, despite the Scriabin-like influences, and they both remained firmly tonal. Mosolov, on the other hand, is a great candidate I think. He and Roslavets are the greatest Soviet avant-garde composers, with Roslavets a bit ahead. His Chamber Symphony just takes the cake as the best piece from that style, with the extant piano sonatas not far behind.
shrug. i dont make up these terms, i imagine professors and that type of people do, and according to them this is the period after modernism. I think we have shifted periods since then, and i don't think any of the PhDs have come up with a name for it yet. 21st century art will suffice for now i guess.
Really? I have not liked what I heard by Roslavets (piano sonatas 1, 2, & 5, some smaller works). I have never heard the chamber symphony.
I wouldn't listen to the PhDs of today. It isn't anyone's place today to start saying when periods end, periods begin, and what to call them. They didn't do that in periods past, so we shouldn't now.
The Chamber Symphony is amazing. It is perhaps a bit more accessible (but no less of a work) than the two genre-defining works by Schoenberg. I would highly recommend it to anyone who likes or hates the piano sonatas. It has a substantial piano part in it, which might make it a bit more accessible to people who don't listen to much orchestral music sans piano (or music without a piano in general).
you are suggesting the invention of terms like the classical, baroque, and romantic to describe periods of art are new 20th century constructs?
I will listen to it. How do you think the Roslavets piano sonatas compare to the Mosolov piano sonatas?
Don't let the length of the work deter you from it. It is rather long, clocking in at around 55 minutes. It is well worth your time. As far as his sonatas go, I find them very different from each other. I don't think I can compare them. From a strictly personal perspective, though, I enjoy the Roslavets sonatas (or piano works in general) a bit more. Mosolov's work doesn't pique my interest as much.
nod. i agree. Still, i dont think the term modernism or post modern are going anywhere, as they have already been so firmly established in the vocabulary of discussing periods of art. We are out of these periods now, of course, and I dont believe we will come up with a new one for quite some time. or maybe not shrug
I also find them very different. I find them equally as interesting but I find Mosolov's more compelling.
Another Soviet avant-garde composer I really enjoy is Nikolai Obukhov (and various other transliterations). I have heard very little of his music (not much is recorded) but I was very impressed with what I have heard. I would recommend him to you or anyone else who likes this particular style.
I will have to listen to some of his stuff. Any pieces in particular you think I should listen to?
Just whatever you can get a hold of. Jenny Lin recorded some of his music, along with other Soviet avant-garde composers (and others who aren't in that genre, such as Glière), on a disk called Preludes to a Revolution.
okay. Does she do a good job with them?
What are peoples opinions on the New Complexest movement?
I think "classical" music as a whole is going in an awful direction if you ask me.
it certainly will be interesting if in 50 odd years there's a new all encompassing term for this..period
Err...George Perle!
Er...modernism? Is that some sort of movement?
umm...art progresses. its why composers everywhere are no longer writing Gregorian chant. so yes umm. that is all.
From what I understand, it's not even clear among the experts just exactly what years make up modernism. Basically from l'apres-midi d'un faun up to the present. I think these terms become clearer the farther removed we are from them. (In about 200 years, probably)
When I started getting into New Complexity composers, I found some of the works intriguing and crazy. But after a while, it just came across as a remarkably pretentious and angsty joke. I can't take any of Ferneyhough's music seriously. Finnissy has some stuff I like. Overall I think it's mostly useless and has always been mostly useless; extreme complexity that's innovate and interesting was done long ago by Stockhausen. And composers like Flynn and some hardcore bands are more effective at creating violent music IMO.
Because if not then for me it's not the natural continuation of classical music that I want. And did people in 1800 hear Beethoven the same way people in 1920 heard Schoenberg?
You have time (I hope) to gather more influences that might help you appreciate the subtleties of Roslavets, Feinberg and other composers of that period. They were searching for a new voice, a denser field of musical expression that (at their time was rarely, if ever heard during their lifetimes). They composed music for the Future, and now, some 75-100 years later, they are finding an audience (small, but sure). I doubt that Jessica Simpson or Brittany Spears (or any rap/hiphop-er) will be remembered more than 20 years past their demise, and mostly by those they owed money to!). What a wasteland our children have to muddle through to find even the basic doors to the serious classical realm of music they might be studying. So don't give up quite yet on sounds you don't appreciate, give it room to move within your sphere, and filter it out when you feel overloaded. Lontano
I do appreciate the latter. It is just the former (Roslavets) I don't like. It sounds to much like late Scriabin except heavier and lesser it terms of qaulity. I will try to get a taste for his music, maybe the previously mentioned chamber symphony will get me into his music more
Beards and modernism: is there a link?
Yes.And this is what the Grove Music Dictionary says about Modernism"A term used in music to denote a multi-faceted but distinct and continuous tradition within 20th-century composition. It may also refer to 20th-century trends in aesthetic theory, scholarship and performing practice. Modernism is a consequence of the fundamental conviction among successive generations of composers since 1900 that the means of musical expression in the 20th century must be adequate to the unique and radical character of the age. The appropriateness of the term to describe a coherent and discrete movement has been underscored by the currency of the word ‘postmodern’, which refers to the music, art and ideas that emerged during the last quarter of the century as a reaction to Modernism. The word ‘Modernism’ has functioned throughout the century both polemically and analytically; although it is applied loosely to disparate musical styles, what links its many strands is a common debt to the historical context from which it emerged."
[...del...] Composers like John Cage, Christian Wolff, and Philip Glass, on the other hand, make me sick to my stomach with their gimmicky philosophical horseshit that seems more effective at filling a person's pretentiousness-gauge than affecting their sensibilities. I can't help but feel dicked when a score consists of one written sentence that says "In a situation provided with maximum amplification (no feedback), perform a disciplined action." In a case like that, you'll find me running towards the next Richard Barrett recital.What does everyone think of something like this:
Topic: Let's have another discussion about modernism! 