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Topic: Are Op 116-1 and Op 116-7 by Brahms as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12  (Read 4562 times)

Offline presto agitato

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Are Op 116-1 and Op 116-7 by Brahms as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12
on: September 21, 2010, 05:08:03 AM
Hello

Do you people know those caprices by Brahms?
Do you think they are as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12?

Thanks



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Re: Are Op 116-1 and Op 116-7 by Brahms as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12
Reply #1 on: September 21, 2010, 05:20:34 AM
I play all the Brahms op. 116, and I play the Chopin Etudes you mentioned. They are very difficult pieces for different reasons. The Chopin Etudes are for obvious reasons. Upon first impression, the Brahms did not appear so difficult - "just" a lot of sound and passion - but get into it and (especially in nos. 1 and 7) you are presented with so many problems! The rhythmic hemiola, the big legato sound, articulation (yeah, see those rests and staccato notes?), pedalling...took me a while to put them all together, and even now it's still somehow not quite right!
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Re: Are Op 116-1 and Op 116-7 by Brahms as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12
Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 12:56:25 AM
More opinions?
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Re: Are Op 116-1 and Op 116-7 by Brahms as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12
Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 07:02:50 AM
Should I learn Op116-7 first?
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Re: Are Op 116-1 and Op 116-7 by Brahms as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12
Reply #4 on: October 27, 2010, 08:16:51 AM
yeah, I totally agree with Progated. Op.116 seems not hard when people look at the score, however, it requires lots of things like polyrhythms,phrasing, rests, pedaling....etc. You will learn many things from op.116.  ;D
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Re: Are Op 116-1 and Op 116-7 by Brahms as difficult as Chopin's Op 10-4 or Op 10-12
Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 08:18:55 AM
oh, I forgot to say that if you have time, play op.116 no.1-7. You will never regret!
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