Digital piano MIDI input problems...

[malwambi]

Dear Friends,

I have a Yamaha P85 Digital Piano and a Yamaha UX16 USB/MIDI Interface.

I also have 4 different kinds of notation software.

However, when I play a note on my piano, it never registers on the computer screen.

Does anyone have any ideas about what I could be doing wrongly?

Thanks.

[stevebob]

Double-check that the MIDI IN and MIDI OUT plugs on your cable are in the correct jacks on your keyboard.  (If they were inadvertently reversed, that would definitely cause the problem you're having.)

[lostinidlewonder]

Since it is a USB interface it will not have the In-Out plugs.

Your problem is how the hardware is setup on your computer. With the programs ensure that the midi in and out preferences are set to your Yamaha, this is so it will read and output midi sound through your Yamaha.

[stevebob]

Since it is a USB interface it will not have the In-Out plugs.

Yes, it will.  This is the interface that the original poster stated that he has:

https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-UX16-USB-MIDI-Interface/dp/B0002E2S1I

It's a typical USB-MIDI interface:  the USB end of the cable goes to the computer, and the MIDI IN and MIDI OUT plug into the keyboard.

Your problem is how the hardware is setup on your computer.

It might be or it might not be.  You can make a guess or have an opinion about what the problem is, but you don't know with certainty.

[lostinidlewonder]

If this guy had a problem with reversing the cables don't you think that he would have already tried that before posting? Only 2 combinations, not thousands very fast to test. It seems common sense that his problem is beyond  merely putting the plugs in and from my experience using MIDI, the software synchronization is the most annoying part.

If you remember the old MIDI cables you actually did have to put them crossed, that is In in out and out in in, haven't had to do that for years and years thought now with USB.

[keyboardclass]

Steve's right.  I have a P60.  Much like mine, I very much doubt the P85 comes with a built in midi interface.

malwambi you haven't said what software you're using.

[lostinidlewonder]

How can he be right or wrong without you being the person with the problem and have the ability to test it themselves?

[stevebob]

If this guy had a problem with reversing the cables don't you think that he would have already tried that before posting? Only 2 combinations, not thousands very fast to test. It seems common sense that his problem is beyond  merely putting the plugs in and from my experience using MIDI, the software synchronization is the most annoying part.

If you remember the old MIDI cables you actually did have to put them crossed, that is In in out and out in in, haven't had to do that for years and years thought now with USB.

No, I thought that the simplest reason for the problem might have been overlooked by him.  It's a common occurrence.

Your lack of expertise in this area is demonstrated by your denial that MIDI IN and MIDI OUT plugs exist.  You still seem uncertain:  haven't had to do WHAT for years?  The old-style connection (i.e., pre-USB) to a computer was typically to a joystick port; the MIDI IN and MIDI OUT jacks at the keyboard are unchanged.

"Software synchronization" isn't really an annoyance at all.  The setup is generally plug-and-play.

[lostinidlewonder]

I didn't deny it at all, you are selectively reading again.

And here you go talking about the person again. good on ya stevebob, you are so great in that.

[stevebob]

How can he be right or wrong without you being the person with the problem and have the ability to test it themselves?

There's no logic there.  You stated with certainty what the problem was, while apparently not understanding the issue.

[lostinidlewonder]

It is logical but because you are illogical it will make no sense to you.

[keyboardclass]

How can he be right or wrong without you being the person with the problem and have the ability to test it themselves?

Because, as I said, there's no built in midi interface on a P85.

[stevebob]

I didn't deny it at all, you are selectively reading again.

And here you go talking about the person again. good on ya stevebob, you are so great in that.

That's sad and pathetic.  Do give it a rest.

[lostinidlewonder]

Nope I like to chat with retired people like you who have a lot of time.

[keyboardclass]

Nope I like to chat with retired people like you who have a lot of time.

You mean lostinidleharassment?

[lostinidlewonder]

no i don't KEYBOARDclass. lol

[gyzzzmo]

I have this special 'midi1x1' cable, i suppose that is the item you are missing to convert the midi cable to usb.

Here is the link of one of those cables:
https://www.dv247.com/computer-hardware/e-mu-xmidi-1x1-usb-midi-interface--35907

Gyzzzmo

[stevebob]

Nope I like to chat with retired people like you who have a lot of time.

That's what trolls do, so take your amusement where you find it.

[keyboardclass]

I have this special 'midi1x1' cable, i suppose that is the item you are missing to convert the midi cable to usb.

Here is the link of one of those cables:
https://www.dv247.com/computer-hardware/e-mu-xmidi-1x1-usb-midi-interface--35907

Gyzzzmo

For crying out loud! He's got a Yamaha UX16 USB/MIDI Interface.  How do you guys manage to find your way out of the bedclothes in the morning?

[lostinidlewonder]

Hardly, In my 6 years never come across difficult people like you and keyboardclass, so I merely respond to the issue and let you guys character assassinate. Hopefully people will have enough of your methods soon.

[stevebob]

I have this special 'midi1x1' cable, i suppose that is the item you are missing to convert the midi cable to usb.

Here is the link of one of those cables:
https://www.dv247.com/computer-hardware/e-mu-xmidi-1x1-usb-midi-interface--35907

Gyzzzmo

That's the functional equivalent of the Yamaha UX16 that the original poster is using.

Your knowledge of this topic appears to be comparable to that of lostinidleharassment.

[lostinidlewonder]

lol, I'm so hurt by that.

[stevebob]

Hardly, In my 6 years never come across difficult people like you and keyboardclass, so I merely respond to the issue and let you guys character assassinate. Hopefully people will have enough of your methods soon.

Oh, so you do want to get personal after all?

[gyzzzmo]

And if the interface you got is working properly, it could also be a problem that the notation software isnt properly set up. I remember i had to install some extra software and change some settings for it to work properly.

[lostinidlewonder]

I am still waiting for you to respond to something that you disagree with me upon WITHOUT talking about the person, you just can't do it!

[stevebob]

I am still waiting for you to respond to something that you disagree with me upon WITHOUT talking about the person, you just can't do it!

That's pure projection.  Do you think that by accusing me of doing what you consistently do, your own behavior will be overlooked?  It's just sad.

Look, you don’t know everything.  Nobody does, so you should come to terms with that.  And it’s common to feel insecure around people who you fear know more than (or even as much as) you.  There’s no shame in not knowing or misunderstanding something, but lashing out in your anger and frustration is isn’t an appropriate way to deal with what you’re feeling.

[lostinidlewonder]

I don't accuse you I merely highlight a matter of fact, maybe if you take away what you THINK about people your posts will be a lot shorter and nicer.

[keyboardclass]

And if the interface you got is working properly, it could also be a problem that the notation software isnt properly set up. I remember i had to install some extra software and change some settings for it to work properly.

That's unless he's just run out to the shop to buy the special 'midi1x1' you said he required!

[stevebob]

I don't accuse you I merely highlight a matter of fact, maybe if you take away what you THINK about people your posts will be a lot shorter and nicer.

"You're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts."

"The problem isn't what we don't know; it's what we're sure of ... that just ain't so."

The first quote is attributed to Daniel Patrick Moynihan; the second is from Mark Twain.

I think most people capable of (and interested in) reasoned communication and pleasant interaction understand those tenets implicitly; it's about not behaving like a know-it-all or a bully.

Your credo appears to be, "It's a free world I can do what I want," as you stated in another thread.  I don't believe that's wise or viable (and you can see for yourself how well it's working for you).

[lostinidlewonder]

Yes it is a free world and if you read when I said that in context to what was said to me then you will understand my point. However if you take my quote and apply it to whatever you like, you of course understand the problems with context.

[stevebob]

That's unless he's just run out to the shop to buy the special 'midi1x1' you said he required!

Oh gosh, I hope not.  Did you notice the price on that?

These things are now mass-produced in China, and they retail for less than $5.00 in the U.S.

[keyboardclass]

When I was in Canada I noticed everything was made in China - even the frozen peas!  I try hard never to buy Chinese  - it's slave labour.

[lostinidlewonder]

I agree, if you are paying more than $10 for the cable it is a waste of money.

[malwambi]

GENTLEMEN!!!!

Goodness gracious! I appreciate all of your passionate discussion.

Thanks you for those of you who made helpful comments and thank you for those of you who argued with each other and were consequently very amusing to read.

The solution: yep, I just had to switch the matching In/In - Out/Out to the counterintuitive and non-matching In/Out - Out/In.  I just immediately supposed that I was supposed to plug the cables into their matching sockets--but I was wrong.

THANKS EVERYONE!  Now, I look forward to reading more arguments...

[keyboardclass]

You'll need to supply another question so there can be some more daft responses!

[lostinidlewonder]

Glad it is sorted out You can look forward to more "arguments" if members keep talking about other member as if they know them personally.

[malwambi]

Hahahaha!

You guys were great.  From all of your bickering I was able to sift tiny nuggets of truth that helped me along my journey.

I look forward to my next question (whenever that may be).

[stevebob]

Glad it is sorted out You can look forward to more "arguments" if members keep talking about other member as if they know them personally.

Damn right.

So where's that apology that you offered to make?

The solution: yep, I just had to switch the matching In/In - Out/Out to the counterintuitive and non-matching In/Out - Out/In.  I just immediately supposed that I was supposed to plug the cables into their matching sockets--but I was wrong.

Well, they do match if you think of it as the signal going OUT from the keyboard is going IN to the computer (and vice versa).

[lostinidlewonder]

There is no evidence of an apology that is supposed to be coming to you ^___^ you like that?

Oh and I was the only one to provide the solution of OUT in IN and IN in OUT ^___^x 10000 x 

[stevebob]

There is no evidence of an apology that is supposed to be coming to you ^___^ you like that?

Liar.

[lostinidlewonder]

Liar.

You have no evidence sorry old man

[stevebob]

You have no evidence sorry old man

Because you edited your post to remove it.  Big **** deal.

You're a pathetic lying troll.

[lostinidlewonder]

No evidence. Bad luck. You just making a lot of noise and now even swearing! tut tut I better get some midi cables to defend myself

[stevebob]

No evidence. Bad luck. You just making a lot of noise and now even swearing! tut tut

You're right!  No evidence BECAUSE YOU DELETED IT.

You're a ***** pathetic lying troll, whether the evidence remains or not.

Perhaps someone who read your offer to apologize will have the nerve to speak up.

It's a very small man who can't apologize when he's wrong ... very small.

[malwambi]

"Well, they do match if you think of it as the signal going OUT from the keyboard is going IN to the computer (and vice versa)."

I know.  I'm just brand new at this stuff and didn't even think about it that way, I just figured I was supposed to match the cables and the sockets.

[lostinidlewonder]

You're right!  No evidence BECAUSE YOU DELETED IT.

You're a ***** pathetic lying troll, whether the evidence remains or not.

Perhaps someone who read your offer to apologize will have the nerve to speak up.

It's a very small man who can't apologize when he's wrong ... very small.

Care factor..... zero... or as my Chinese grandparents say, JILO

Who would apologize to someone who talks like you in this thread?

[stevebob]

Care factor..... zero... or as my Chinese grandparents say, JILO

Who would apologize to someone who talks like you in this thread?

I hope you know that my "care factor" about your grandparents is less than zero.

Get the psychiatric help you so desperately need.

[lostinidlewonder]

I hope you know that my "care factor" about your grandparents is less than zero.

Get the psychiatric help you so desperately need.

Wow a negative care, so you plan to harm my grandparents... Good luck in finding them

I didn't know you where a shrink able to diagnose mental disease and over the internet! What a revolution!

[stevebob]

Wow a negative care, so you plan to harm my grandparents... Good luck in finding them

I didn't know you where a shrink able to diagnose mental disease.

Believe it or not, there's are things you don't know (including, apparently, that there are mental illnesses that would be manifest to a layperson).

[malwambi]

I think you guys need more Jesus in your life.