That Certain Piece...

[evannn]

Hey guys,
I've been searching for that certain piece I've just wanted to play for ages (I never had it stuck in my head or knew any part of it), and I've found it: Traumerei (dreaming) by robert Schumann. I was wondering if you know of other pieces that are very similar to this, but are harder. Past grade 7, perhaps advanced grade 7 moving onto grade 8? I don't mind a few hard bits being past grade 8, just not too many. I've been looking for ages, Chopin's pieces are awesome, and come close, just haven't quite got that same feel to it.

Another piece similar to it is the piano solo from My World, but that again is very easy to play, it's just a beautiful peace.

I just want a piece that challenges me that I can't simply sit down and play it and first time playing it sounds good (although there never perfect ).

I hope you know what I mean. It's sort of along the same lines of Chopin's Nocturne in C sharp minor, but not quite there, it's just not close enough to the likes of my world and traumerei in themes.

Sorry if I'm not clear, thanks
Evan

[gradedpiano]

Im unclear on what type of pieces you are looking for but ill list a few difficult pieces, why dont you try debussys arabesque no. 1, chopins revolutionary etude, beethovens moonlight sonata movement . Ill list some more pieces later but these are only a few i can think of on the top of my head.

[evannn]

Thanks for the reply

Debussy's piece arabesque no. 1 is what I was looking for, same with moonlight sonata, they're all the same pieces. I found that chopins revolutionary etude (while I loved it, I'll definitely look into it in the future) was a little to loud and aggressive. I want one thats like more gentle and romantic, softer, quieter, something soothing, I know when I'll hear it. I don't know if you've been there or not, it's just that certain piece that you want, and just struggle to explain, and struggle to find anything that fits it, but once you've found it, you'll know its that one piece.

Sadly Moonlight Sonata and Debussy's arabesque No. 1 was a little too easy, even though I will definitely learn Debussy's Arabesque without a doubt, but I had a quick play and it wasn't quite challenging enough. But it's along those lines that I want.

I'm not too sure on my level in terms of grades, but in the video of Chopin's Ballade below, if you skip to 5:45 (the best bit ), you'll find the section of the ballade that I'd like the piece to be as difficult as, perhaps slightly easier at parts, perhaps slightly harder at parts, but around that level.

Thanks

[gradedpiano]

wow you must be a very advanced player, im no where near able to play arabesque or  the 3rd movemnet of moonlight sonata.
I understand what you mean when you say you want that ceetain piece. Heres a few more, claire de lune debussy, beethovens hammerklavier sonata opus 106, Prokofiev Sonata 8, Mmt,1 – Ravel: Gaspard de la nuit
 Boulez : Second Sonata
 Stravinsky : 3 movements from Petrushka
All are extremley difficult, although im just an intermediate player but still these are fantastic and i believe beethovens is perfect for what you are looking for.

[pbryld]

Don't know if it's too hard, but try Liszt's Gondoliera (From Venezia e Napoli).

If you're going to look on youtube, both Berezovsky's and Roberto Plano's interpretations are good, although Plano's is a lot more emotional (and the beginning should be more like Berezovky's IMO).

[evannn]

@gradedpiano
Ah, sorry, I didn't read it propperly, I as thinking of moonlight sonata 1st movement, 3rd movement is epic, just looked at it. Like... wow... Little do hard for my level

Arabesque I'll try propperly tomorrow sometime.

I may take a crack at some of hammerklavier, but 46 pages... like... wow, guess some of it will have to be learnt, and some not

Think most of those are too hard, but I've favourited them so when I get to that level I'll remember them

Tell you what though man, you have some good taste in piano music


They aren't quite that certain piece i was looking for, but they are pretty damn awesome

Thanks








@pbryld
As much as it pains me, Liszt's Gondoliera (From Venezia e Napoli) is too hard, it is that piece I've been looking for... I may try anyway XD Also, Which one did you mean, when i youtubed there seemed to be quite a few?  I like the Gondolier one most personally , I'll ask my teacher on Sunday if he has the music, since I don't know if I'll be able to find it.

Thanks

Evan.

[gradedpiano]

thanks for the comment, i love these pieces and want to be able to play them some day, especally the moonlight sonata, im currently learning the 1st movement.
What grade do you want the pieces to be at that you play because i know arabesque is grade 7 but you say its too easy but the moonlight sonata is grade  and you say its too hard?

I will attempt to help you further if i knew the grade. You also said something similar to the chopin nocturne in c minor,ill look for some of a similar styleto that piece and get back to you. I have one more suggestion, griegs piano concerto in a minor.

[pbryld]

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I spend a while finding the sheet music for free on the internet: it is indeed hard to find. Send me a private message with your e-mail and I'll send what I found to you. (PDF)

And yes, some parts are quite hard. The first part is quite easy though...

[gradedpiano]

pbryld has a good point,if you want to send me your email i can attach beethovens moonlight sonata sheet music and any others i can find.

[ongaku_oniko]

If you think arabesque is too easy than wow...

It's really not easy to write a piece that's harder than arabesque but still sound so slow and soothing, you know. Hard pieces are hard because they're fast, have sudden changes, jumps, and other weird things that don't sound so simple like arabesque.

So really what you're looking for doesn't exist.

But easy pieces that might at least have the sound you're looking for:
Harmony of the Angels - Burgmuller
Song of the waterfall - loeschorn (sp?)
A Song - Smetana
Pieces that Richard Clayderman plays
Song without words Op. 38 No. 6

[musicluvr49]

Hi.

If you think arabesque is too easy than wow...

It's really not easy to write a piece that's harder than arabesque but still sound so slow and soothing, you know.

There are a lot of slow pieces that are harder than the arabesque....

Evannn,

Try Rachmaninoff Moment Musicaux No. 5
Not very technically challenging, but very musical. It's a really beautiful piece.

[ongaku_oniko]

yes, but those pieces probably have huge chords, jumps, sudden changes and other difficult to play things that I can't think of right now. Or perhaps the beat is off, or the beat is different for the left and right hands, or it's slow for most of the piece but has an extremely fast part.

From what I can tell with arabesque, traumrei and moonlight 1, I think the OP is looking for a not too fast piece with lots of arpeggios or similar harmonic sounding progressions. And the piece is light, not too loud, not too exciting but brings out emotion. He's not looking for a piece that's difficult to understand by lay-people who aren't exposed to classical music. No weird chord progressions like opus clavicembalisticum, or weird pauses and stuff like Ravel's pieces.

Is that right, OP? If not, can you try to describe the feeling you're trying to get?

Added: Etude Tableaux op. 33 no. 8 in g minor

link for mendelssohn's song without words:

A

[musicluvr49]

Yes, but he said the Arabesque was too easy....

Along with the other piece I suggested... Try some Chopin nocturnes. Op. 9 No 2 is nice. Op 72 no 1 Is another one of my favorites. There are some polyrythms, but nothing too hard.

[bleicher]

Traumerei is from 'Kinderszenen' by Schumann, which is a set of 13 pieces, so why not learn one or two of the others to play alongside it?

I love Schumann :-)

[noon]

Take a look at Beethoven's Pathetice or Liszt "Dream of love",Chopin 24 Etude.I think it wil be chalenging enough for you if not then I 'll suggest something else

[ch101]

Traumerei is from 'Kinderszenen' by Schumann, which is a set of 13 pieces, so why not learn one or two of the others to play alongside it?

I love Schumann :-)

thumbs up for you
my favourite ones are no.1 ,2, 7,8 and 13

[perfect_pitch]

I understand what you mean when you say you want that ceetain piece. Heres a few more, claire de lune debussy, ...///...

Stravinsky : 3 movements from Petrushka

ARE YOU NUTS?!? Putting Claire de Lune and Stravinsky's Petrushka in the same sentence (or implied category of difficulty)

Believe me - I've played the Stravinsky and the Claire de Lune, and the Debussy is a walk in the park compared to the Stravinsky (quite literally).