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Offline gn622

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great invention
on: January 12, 2012, 01:11:01 PM
What if there was a tablet (or an application for a tablet) that displays music sheets,AND turns the pages while your playing.

Many pianists hire page turners during concerts, but page turning can be hard in difficult music and the turner may block the pianist view.

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Re: great invention
Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 01:31:26 PM
Sure, 2nd trumpet in my orchestra does this with his iPad (or something similar).  He scans and loads the music in before rehearsal, and just taps the screen while playing to turn pages. 

It works great and is entirely practical from what I've seen.  The only drawbacks right off the top of my head would be you have to look at just one page at a time, you have to manage the battery power, and making notes in the score may be a problem to be worked out, but I don't see why this wouldn't be useful for piano.  Certainly some musicians here have had experimented with this by now. 
Haydn: Sonata in C No. 35
Scarlatti: K. 1, 380, 443
Blasco de Nebra: Sonata V
Handel: Fantasia in C G.60
Couperin: La Reville Matin
Rameau: La Dauphine
Pachelbel, Trabaci, Frescobaldi: Various

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Re: great invention
Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 01:51:19 PM
what i meant is that the tablet listens to what your playing through the microphone and turn the pages accordingly.

and who knows, maybe later itll be able to point out your mistakes  :o

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Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
I thought I would be able to do this on my kindle-book.  I downloaded something from somewhere that works with amazon (I think sheet music.com or something) buying it on line (not very much because I couldn't get a free sample to see how it was) and my kindlebook DID download it, but it will not magnify.  That is it's so tiny you have to be like 4 inches from it to read it.  Very disappointing.  Then I tried to download something form IMSLP, but they said they couldn't download a pfs, it had to be an oei, or xyz, or abc.  I don't know.  I really am interested in getting this I-pad.  How much are they running now?

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Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 02:49:33 PM
I thought I would be able to do this on my kindle-book.  I downloaded something from somewhere that works with amazon (I think sheet music.com or something) buying it on line (not very much because I couldn't get a free sample to see how it was) and my kindlebook DID download it, but it will not magnify.  That is it's so tiny you have to be like 4 inches from it to read it.  Very disappointing.  Then I tried to download something form IMSLP, but they said they couldn't download a pfs, it had to be an oei, or xyz, or abc.  I don't know.  I really am interested in getting this I-pad.  How much are they running now?

hmm yeah i have seen amazon sells kindle versions of sheet music, it doesn't surpise me though that it's not quite flash enabled to view normal pdfs (you would think it was a factory installed app but i guess thy can make more money forcing people to download kindle specific files).

ipads like all apple products are never on sale always at a premium in price point, the good news is that the fans are so dedicated taht as soon as a new generation comes up they rush to to buy even when relatively new units are still in their posession, so my suggestions is to try and buy directly from someone who has cared for theirs and is upgrading i think this will give you best price point on a sweet little tablet.

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Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 05:43:31 AM
what i meant is that the tablet listens to what your playing through the microphone and turn the pages accordingly.

and who knows, maybe later itll be able to point out your mistakes  :o

Oh, sorry, I misundertood you :)  That would be nice, and although I imagine we probably have the technology to develop something like that, I doubt anything like it would be around for a long time yet as it sounds extremely labor intensive and expensive to develop such a device.   A program would not only have to hear a pitch (or chord) to turn a page, but also recognize the a sequence of pitches and rythms to function properly, among other things sounds like a programming nightmare!  

On the other hand, even then I think I would still prefer paper scores anyway as I'm the type of person who prefers to read the news from the newspaper and uses his iPhone mostly as a paperweight.  

I wonder how that Apple iPiano project thing's doing and what that screen's supposed to do.

https://www.synthgear.com/2009/music-misc/apple-ipiano/
Haydn: Sonata in C No. 35
Scarlatti: K. 1, 380, 443
Blasco de Nebra: Sonata V
Handel: Fantasia in C G.60
Couperin: La Reville Matin
Rameau: La Dauphine
Pachelbel, Trabaci, Frescobaldi: Various

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Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 06:34:40 AM
There is also the issue of incident light vs reflected light.  When you read paper or e-paper technology, you are looking at light reflected off the object.  When you look at a tablet or computer screen you are looking at incident light - that is looking directly at the source of light.  Some people find looking at a computer screen for too long gives them sore eyes, however they can spend hours with a book.  

Another issue concerning incident vs reflected light is quickly switching between viewing the device and something else.  I've found that switching between looking at an LED or LCD screen, and another object requires a small time of adjustment in my eyes.  Switching from paper to looking in the distance demands much less latency.  A common musical scenario would be trying to keep an eye on both the conductor and score.  

A lot of e-book readers use e-paper, you actually need light to see what is on the screen.  There is the added advantage of battery life because devices based on e-paper expend their energy turning pages as opposed to displaying the image.  Notice reviews comparing e-book readers often display battery life as number of page turns, vs hours.  

I would be really interested in a large format book reader.  Something practical to display music like a 9x12 display.  Even better would be a double width display for a two page spread, like a real book.

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Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 07:01:28 AM
That's why kindle books don't use incident light.  Or at least, that's what they say.  You need light to read it.  It is much less harmful to your eyes.
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