Chopin was happy for gaps in the legato in arpeggios. As you say it's the timing that's important. As for wrist movement - yes both sideways and up and down. Here's a vid I made:It's not related to field or liszt though - if anything more Bach. His technique was purely his and revolutionary!
Hi....I would like to discuss technique, specifically the approach Chopin developed in his teaching style re J Feild and Listz. From what I understand the wrist moves slightly inward and out as the hand travels along accomodating the thumb pass. Each note should not only be perfectly equal in timing ect but should actually be sustained as the next note is struck allowing for a legato. Now....I watched a clip on line from a Univercisty in US and decided that something was wrong with the demonstrration....so I slowed it right down on my computer and sure enough there were gaps in legato as well un-eveness,,,He was the prof.....comments?
In particular, if you can hear tonal unevenness and significant gaps in a slow execution, the odds that any illusions will occur at speed are zero. Chopin's words should never be used to excuse low standards of expectation regarding control.
Exactly! Ignore Chopin. After all his audience didn't have computer manipulation which allowed them to slow down performances and point out tedious minutiae! Jeez if only they'd realized what crap they'd been listening to Kaulkbrenner would now be our main man! - no uneveness there (not much music either).Anyway, anything so long as you can get your platitudes out there, eh N?
Keep the strawman arguments to yourself. You saw what I wrote- ie. consider what Chopin said, but don't twist his words into supposedly forgiving the kind of sloppiness that is on display in your video.
Rant all you like - there's no sloppiness it that video.
I don't need to add anything more,
Kaulkbrenner would now be our main man! - no uneveness there (not much music either).
There will be trouble ahead.................
The man himself: 'No one will notice the inequality of sound in a very fast scale, as long as the notes are played in equal time'
Virtually all teachers exaggerate aspects to students, when that particular student is coming from a specific place. Often teachers will give two different students literally opposite advice.
The quote's from his Projet de methode dummy! A textbook for all.
On that issue, I'll stick with the quote he made about non-legato playing.
Oh dear, that quote's from Von Lenz. You really ought to leave the Chopin scholarship to those who know what they're doing.
How come this thread has become yet another one about me? There is an OP ya know. Sheesh.
The thread became about you when you posted a video featuring a truly atrocious example
IYHO
I don't know whether it disgusts me more
The hands ability complain, argue and procrastinate against the piece.He or she cannot play the piece at any speed with reasonable comfort at all.
If any of you know the golf swing....have a look at the pros....theres a reason why the fundemental golf swing looks basically the same with all the pros...theres really only one swing...you just can't pick up the golf club like a baseball bat and take a wack at it, as keyboard shows in approach to the pianoforte.
He'd sooner come out with a quote than admit that he is light-years away from playing that study. .
Great you can join us! Sorry, but disagree with the above. There's a special (Chopin) technique going on in that vid - one you don't seem aware of.
and consequently using your forearm to offset your very very weak forth and fith fingers..
Sorry but you're rather hard to follow. Just to say this - the forearm is supposed to be playing finger 5, both going up and down. As I say, I don't think you're familiar with using arm weight. As Chopin said 'Just as we need to use the conformation of the fingers, we need no less to use the rest of the hand, the wrist, the forearm and the arm. - one cannot try to play everything from the wrist, as Kalkbrenner claims.'
So why is it not working? Why can't you play it with accuracy or eveness at such a slow speed?
It's as even as it needs to be.
. I just wish you weren't given free reign to air your delusions- because you never know who might be taken in.
Our own forum vigilante! How sweet. How about you playing this etude with the accents? You've only demonstrated you can't in the past.
Fine. I'll post a video of the same section your video contains tomorrow. I don't believe in exaggerated accentuation in the Etude, however it's no problem to emphasise the fifth finger to order. When I post the link, I will be expecting to see an up-tempo version from yourself in return.
so I slowed it right down on my computer
Each note should not only be perfectly equal in timing ect
Umm... to what possible end???Bleah!! No! Yuck!! Horrible!! You seem to believe that THE perfect performance would be generated by a MIDI controller. No mention of the feel for the music, just the "perfection" of the technical aspects.I'm not going to like your posts, methinks. I suspect you won't much like mine either.
Found another of the first page with accents but without so much splashing:
Evenness can simply mean without audible breaks and bumps that disturb the continuity of the line. I like pianists who employ the most extreme variety. However, I'd still criticise with regard to a lack of "evenness" if a pianist could not control his tone. I don't think we should jump to the assumption that the poster's language implies a pedantic viewpoint. The question is whether he slowed down with a computer to merely verify what he felt he had already detected as a problem in the sound, or whether it was done out of pedantry. From his tone, I suspect the former- although he can tell us for himself.
this goes into another area and I think we will be touching on it later
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