Famous people know when theyre writing a diary that the public is probably one day going to read it.
His marriage of convenience, looking for role models in (other) women, the very dubious circumstances of his death. This to me adds up to beyond reasonable doubt.
My thesis was IMO composers/improvisers make the best pianists, coz they instinctively bring musicality into it and to be an improviser the technique should be 'selbstverstandlich'. But for others technicality is preferable. What I read about Bach he was an amazing keyboardist, could play with the pedals on the organ faster than others could play with their fingers. There's a playfulness to creativity, I can see it in Italian German composers but not in Russian/Jewish composers.
Again it's the method employed. From what I know of Mozart he was dying to learn. I know of this anecdote where a friend of the family came round to play a composition, Mozart asked if he could play second violin. His father got angry coz he'd never learnt to play, he joined in anyway and the friend couldn't believe how he blended in as if he'd been playing for years.Contrast that with the learned, forcefed approach.Of course there will still be creativity, people are creative, only some cultures are more conducive to creativity, depending on the inherent talent, it will be able to prosper better. It's just common sense, people in a culture follow what's valued in that culture, 'naturally selects' (i.e they get to make plentiful babies)who answer best to these ideals. Rabbis, scholars, lawyers yes, creativity not so much
That he took his que from Western music and not from Russian music(implicitly recognizing its superiority). The greatest Russian composer a wannabe Western European.
Since we are on that, do you know anything about Russian entire music life and system of education of the second half of the 19th century, what is Russian Nationalism, which role had Tchaikowski to do with that?If you do, that would answer your questions about him to be a "wannabe", and also of creativity in general.Best, M
Do you have any at least very basic idea as for the Jewish history of 18-19-20th century?
How does this have anything to do with Western music? And Tchaikovksy's aspiring to emulate his GERMAN idol Mozart?
and he was gay
What they prefer to hide from the crowd is that Tchaikovsky at least twice contracted "intimate diseases" from the use of the services of female prostitutes
. Hmm, so he hides his gayness but flaunts going to prostitutes and contracting veneral diseases? And I thought Tchaikovsky was secretive about his private life
Moral: Before you believe what you are told and start trusting the Creator of any Idea, better check independently, or you run the risk of becoming a zombie
BTW does Russia have ANY known homosexual men(writers, poets, musicians, scientists, painters, etc), or does mother Russia not spawn any homosexuals
Amongst musicians, Richter does spring to mind.
Any evidence, please? He's not on the gay celebrity list and NEVER admitted being gay, which should be the main parameter to make such a statement. There were rumors, but rumors are not facts. Youri Egorov openly admitted it as a fact, so it is OK to mention him.Paul
https://www.amazon.com/Sviatoslav-Richter-Karl-Aage-Rasmussen/dp/1555537103
I don't see the problem regarding their orientations.
Besides, in some cultures it is a taboo, whether you find that backward, or not.
if anything, it makes his achievements greater.
Some explanations for looking for a role model in women:1) Oedipus complex (excessive devotion of the mother)1) A very dominant mother (you look for someone like your mother, but with the result that afterwards, you explain everything your spouse does as an attempt to be your "second mother", which is unbearable and makes any serious relationship with any other woman impossible)2) A tragic "puppy love" he didn't overcome (trying to look for one who looks like her without looking deeper)
surely a heterosexual male looks for male rolemodels
I can imagine that if you look at it with the eyes of the gay community. Some people who are not part of that community may be shocked and think the reverse.
It's their problem if they want to find it shocking.
I'm not so sure that he had trouble with finding male rolemodels. I have the impression that his one and only role model in men was the Czar. Look at his photos; he could have been the Czar himself. When the Czar - as the role model of the missed father - started believing the gossips seriously, Tchaikovsky broke down (who wouldn't in such a desperate situation?)Paul
If I was Tchaikovsky and not gay and people were slandering me, I'd say, ok, bring me 6 really hot women to my bedroom and then we shall see who's gay.
it's sad that in a backward place like Russia people are driven to suicide over their sexuality
Exactly what is that you (or these hypothetical people who are "not part of the gay community" find shocking? The notion that great artistic figure X is homosexual?
You answer my question, and I'll answer yours. Fair?
How can any person in a free country even begin to understand what it is to be in such a society yourself and decide for them what is good and what not?
I'd like to reverse the question: What is so GREAT about it if figure X *is* homosexual to even mention it? "It's not important." "It's his or her personal life." The argument that it is "irrelevant", however, seems to be a prerogative only for people who use it against a person who DOUBTS there is anything particularly great in it.
The very fact that even the person himself, who is wrongly accused, may be offended is too absurd to even discuss. No, he/she should be PROUD, even if it is not true.
Do you really suppose (to give more conventional role models) every footballer, boxer, ice hockey player is straight?
Alan Turing.
Anyway the main difference in opinion...
Why was Chopin such a great composer(and pianist)? He was educated by a German teacher who taught him not only past masters pieces but that improvisation was also important.
And Tchaikovksy's aspiring to emulate his GERMAN idol Mozart?
Any chance for a source of this information and the name of that mysterious German teacher?
Perhaps he meant "almost" taught by a German teacher, but thankfully Chopin escaped the clutches of Kalkbrenner.
Any chance for a source of this information and the name of that mysterious German teacher? Last I checked (but have to admit, that was looong time ago, so my memory might be pretty rusty) Chopin received most of his education with Wojciech Zhyvny (who was Czech), and then later with Joseph Elsner, who was born in Poland and spent there most of his life.
Or to you Tchaikowsky sounds "just like Mozart
my own inexhaustible source
No source just my own inexhaustible source of tales and tittelations. If you really want to press me for a source, all I can give you is: it was in the same book that told how Chopin build a contraption to elongate his fingers when he was a child(Schumann apparantly later on inspired to do the same broke his fingers in the proces).I don't even really know if she was German, or that she employed German methods??? who cares. what matters is she taught Chopin Bach, Mozart and impressed on the young Chopin the value of improvisation
I don't even really know if there ever was "she". Who cares. What matters is Chopin always had male teachers, which looks suspicious... Oooops... did I open another can of worms?