"Wrong note etude"?! What the...?!I must be living in a bubble. This is the first time I've ever heard such a ridiculous nickname for an etude...
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Think of your situation with a different perspective. Of course we should study music which excites us and we enjoy to play but sometimes we need to be tested and do things we do not necessarily want to do. Treat it as a test, prove that you can get through any work even if it doesn't totally excite you. This will extend you as a musician being able to focus and go through things you do not want to do. That is life really, often we have to do things we don't want to do, if we are faced with these challenges we should try not do solve it by dragging ourselves through it.
Agreed, it is the hardest etude out of them all. I mean...oww! Why dont you try one of the 4 page ones from op 10? The 25/5 takes a variety of technique ....just do something equally as good,(an chopin etude is a chopin etude!)it will be easier right now(in this case because it is appropriate time, not too ambitious but still takes work) and agreed, u will have an easier time with wrong note later, following a shorter etude. 10 no 4?
Difficulty is a relative issue... but for sure the OP 25 no. 5 (I really dislike that "wrong note" name) is not the hardest Chopin etude.
I tried asking if I could switch during my lesson on Thursday, and she just doesn't seem to understand how difficult this one is for me. I wanted to play Op. 25 No. 7, and when I told her that, she said she already had had Op. 25 No.5 picked out for me. She doesn't want me playing Op. 10 No. 3, even though she agrees it would be good for me, because it is overplayed. And then....she thinks the Revolutionary Etude is WAY too hard for me. I mean.....I've proved her wrong so many time, like when I proved to her that I could play Fantaisie Impromptu she was blown away. But I don't know how to prove her wrong this time. At all. THe Fantaisie Impromptu incident happened on coincidence because I was playing Nocturne Op. 72 and she asked me why my polyrhythms had improved, and I told her I had been sel-practicing Fantasie Impromptu. I really don't know how to prove her wrong this time....maybe it's time to switch. She told me that Sonatina MVT. 1 By Ravel was of way too difficulty for me. I play that at home by myself, too. I just don't know anymore.
Just tell her that you are physically not ready to do this one. Start on a faster etude, nota slow one like op 10/3Then show her that you can actually practice this one. Have u heard op 10 4? Its bada**. Its so scary! The op25.5 works on left hand stretch. But its a very difficult etude. Listen to a few more, lisitsa has 24 of the etudes recorded. Pick a shorter but fast one.
Some people is dare enough even to name the two transcendental etudes that Liszt left unnamed (for instance, Transcendental Etude no. 2 is now "fusees"). Audacity (or maybe stupidity) doesn't seem to have limits
The one who was audacious in that regard was Ferrucio Busoni.
Oh, no! "Sunshine etude"? It could be any number of them. Please let me in on this! I feel so left out ... At this point, i bet there's a nickname for every one.
According to one of Arrau's Cds on spotify, op 10/4 is called The colored woman. I'm not sure where it comes from, but I guess it's just a troll
The "Sunshine Etude" is Op. 10/8. I should stop it with these stupid nicknames. It makes me worry for myself.
Im looking at my book. What about op 10 no 9?
Hmm. Im just saying, out of all the etudes u like, pick a fast one. Ive worked on op 10/3, 10/12, 25/2, 25/5, 25/11, 25/12. I didnt like the really big rolled chord at the end of 10/12, 10/3 is easy after you do a couple etudes, 25 2 is still moderately difficult, polyrhythms. Op 25 11 is difficult, but i found op 25.5 more difficult, especially if u want to play it like horowitz. Op 25 12 is only a little difficult(if ur good at getting things to tempo), i recommend it. Do u have the sets? Try reading into each one that you like and is fast, and see if you find a match. Do you have specific questions? Do u like any of the etudes ive workrd on?
Woah, I'm talking to the master of Chopin Etudes! Maybe Op. 10/4 would be good for me, but I don't know if I should also look into Op. 10/12, even though it is overplayed. Is that one difficult? I can sight read it hands together at a nice slow tempo. Maybe Op. 25/1 "Aeolian Harp" (sorry, I just love this nickname) would be a good one to go with. I don't know if that would be a nice one to really start with. The biggest challenge will be explaining to my teacher that I can't play Op. 25/5. Do you know how else I can tell her, besides telling her that I'm not physically ready and it's going to be the hardest etude for me out of the 24 (Which to that she said, 'you haven't played any of them so you can't say that')?
So, what you need to do is to take a crash course in piano literature. Go to the internet and find as many pieces that you can that you take a liking to.Then, go to your teacher and ask if there are two pieces in this group that you could use to substitute for those that she has assigned you.
25.1 is a good one! The lady that taught me in russia this winter, she played for me op 25.1 and op 25.2, she went to conservatory in russia, ofcourse . My teacher here in texas is really good and she plays 25.5.. you have a good argument to do 25.5 later. You have a high standard and cannot learn or play 25.5 to said standard at this point in ur career. Dont say that to teacher though. Tell her, you may not have played any of the etudes, but that is exactly the reason. Start with saying you want to learn many chopin etudes, so you feel like you need to have control over the order of what you work on first. You would like to start on a shorter etude, to get things going in a less frustrating manner. I think learning from smallest to greatest dufficulty is a way to improve faster, btw. After u learn 1 short etude well, you can learn the next in line faster, and by the same time it woukd take u to learn op 25.5 if it was ur first etude, it could take u same time to learn 3 etudes if you start with a shorter one. True story.
Finally, the "Russians" are basically all BS, and a whole lot of people fall for it. Two lessons a week is crazy, regardless of the price. And, mentally abusing a student is unconscionable.
You are full of good ideas. I'll tell her what you said I should tell her, and she may or may not like it. But...I feel like I'm getting to the point where she can't help me much anymore. I think if nothing works with her, it's going to be her that goes, or Op. 25/5 that goes. I know these 2 Russian piano teachers that charge $60 for lessons 2 times a week. the problem is, they take music really seriously. The person who told us about them said they get so mad at his son sometimes that they throw the WTC I and WTC II at him......O.o I think teachers that are even more strict than the one I have now might be exactly what I need. I don't want to leave where I'm studying at now, thoguh, because I have to perform in the school recital (the 2nd biggest honor in the school) so I think if I switch I'll switch to a former USC Prof. Do you think that it would be a good idea to switch teachers if my teacher doesn't understand this whole thing with my current pieces?
Yeah, my first Chopin etude is Op. 25/5 and...yes, she thinks all the movements of Sonatine are way too hard for me. I think I'll sneak a piece, like I did with Fantaisie Impromptu. Perhaps someday when I don't practice those 2 pieces all week, I'll tell her which piece it was I was practicing instead. I think. I can't think of any other way to tell her.
WowYeah is it 2 lessons 60 dollars total? Or 60 each lesson? Otherwise, this may be good for you and just what you need. Minus throwing books at you. Good thing that kid wasnt studying a dictionary, or granades....My russisn teacher yelled at me too. She told me her teacher called her bad names when she played bach wrong. All for good reasons though. Ps. First movement of sonatine is not as difficult as ondine. Try liszt valse impromptu first though, for that one. Also, do u like op 10/8 chopin?
It is 2 lessons 60 dollars total. I think I'll mention to my piano teacher on Thursday that I'm not exactly cool with these pieces and I need to pick a different piece to motivate me to practice.
60 dollars total?! I am soo jello right now! So which piece are u gonna pick?
Probably op 10/8. And then I'll tell her if she doesn't like that then the etude goes and it's Pavane for a Dead Princess. If op. 25/5 doesn't go, she goes. I'll just tell her i wasn't physically ready to play op. 25/5 and I need more time to prepare for an etude that's so hard for me. If she doesn't like 10/8, then it'll be 10/4. If all fails, it's Pavane or Sonatine MVT I. My mom got a call from the head of the piano department saying the profs I wanted won't take me because I'm not advanced enough. I also got rejected from LACHSA. So a lot has been going on for me this week. I will have to stay with my current teacher until the summer. But I'm switching ASAP. But I hope that the etude doesn't become a major issue/8 here. Sure, she may be my teacher and knows my level and capabilities better than others, but I know my limitations better than she does, so I think I need a bit more control.
Topic: Help! I don't want to practice. Advice please? 