Chopin's Etude op 10 no 3 vs Etude 10 no 5 "Black Key" vs Waltz op 34 no 1

[future_maestro]

I'm am looking for intelligent votes/replies about which of these pieces is harder musically, technically, and everything in between.

[j_menz]

If you want intelligent replies, don't ask stupid questions.

[future_maestro]

If you want intelligent replies, don't ask stupid questions.

Might I ask, is there anything that you guys don't consider stupid?

Every single frickin' question is "Stupid." I mean come on!!

[liszt1022]

Every question is "stupid" because it's always the same question. Classical music scores are free online and Youtube has plenty of reference recordings. If you want to know which is harder, LOOK AT THE SCORE AND TRY IT YOURSELF.
Also, there's little inclination to answer these questions because the people asking are usually not at that ability level anyway, or at least don't post evidence of their current skill level.

[future_maestro]

Every question is "stupid" because it's always the same question. Classical music scores are free online and Youtube has plenty of reference recordings. If you want to know which is harder, LOOK AT THE SCORE AND TRY IT YOURSELF.
Also, there's little inclination to answer these questions because the people asking are usually not at that ability level anyway, or at least don't post evidence of their current skill level.

Well maybe I'm looking for opinions from OTHER people instead of myself? Can't you just answer my question instead of pointing out reasons why I shouldn't ask it?

[invisiblez]

The waltz is out of the story, musically and technically it is easier the the 10 3, however not my much in terms of technical difficulty. The black keys is more difficult in terms of fingers and technique but musically easier. However in general I believe black keys it the most difficult. Keep in mind this also depends on the performer, every one has there own strengths and weaknesses.

[j_menz]

Well maybe I'm looking for opinions from OTHER people instead of myself?

And what possible good will that do you? If you want to sate your curiosity, though, just search the forum. There have been about a million threads on this.

Can't you just answer my question instead of pointing out reasons why I shouldn't ask it?

No, but no doubt some idiot will come along and try.

[beethovensonata]

Every question is "stupid" because it's always the same question. Classical music scores are free online and Youtube has plenty of reference recordings. If you want to know which is harder, LOOK AT THE SCORE AND TRY IT YOURSELF.
Also, there's little inclination to answer these questions because the people asking are usually not at that ability level anyway, or at least don't post evidence of their current skill level.

J_menz,
 
I always knew that you were a turd.  You can't answer any questions rationally, you just fly off the handle and say something stupid.  Answer the Dang question!  Maybe you can only play Billy Joel, and are only 9, and sneak on your momma's computer? Hmmm....

[beethovensonata]

And what possible good will that do you? If you want to sate your curiosity, though, just search the forum. There have been about a million threads on this.

No, but no doubt some idiot will come along and try.

Some idiot? Really? You're just a bird brained guy who THINKS that he's good, and acts all cool, but really understand nothing about piano.

Really, the admin aught to remove your idiotic butt.

[j_menz]

J_menz,
 
I always knew that you were a turd.  You can't answer any questions rationally, you just fly off the handle and say something stupid.  Answer the Dang question!  Maybe you can only play Billy Joel, and are only 9, and sneak on your momma's computer? Hmmm....

Umm, that's not my post you've quoted (although I agree with it entirely). Pay more attention.  

[future_maestro]

And what possible good will that do you? If you want to sate your curiosity, though, just search the forum. There have been about a million threads on this.

No, but no doubt some idiot will come along and try.

What the heck is your problem dude? This forum was designed for questions and answers, not for everyone to sit around and see how quiet they can be! If your not going to answer the question, then GET THE CRAP OFF MY POST!!!

[beethovensonata]

Umm, that's not my post you've quoted (although I agree with it entirely). Pay more attention.  

Oh yes I am very Sorry about that.   

[liszt1022]

liszt1022-
 
I always knew that you were a turd.  You can't answer any questions rationally, you just fly off the handle and say something stupid.  Answer the Dang question!  Maybe you can only play Billy Joel, and are only 9, and sneak on your momma's computer? Hmmm....

I'm a 31 year old piano teacher with a degree in piano performance. I have posted in the audition room, you can search for me in there if you're so inclined.
I'm not going to waste my breath answering. Ask your teacher or find your own answers.

[visitor]

The search button works I just tried it and the definitive rating for op10. See response no 3
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=48075.0

"Get the crap of my post" would be nice but your post is covered in all sorts of crap, many layers actually, maybe with a paint scraper and some googone....

*solicits intelligent responses but dismisses all replies by the intelligent.  How ironic.

Best,
V

[ale_ius]

The search button works I just tried it and the definitive rating for op10. See response no 3
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=48075.0

"Get the crap of my post" would be nice but your post is covered in all sorts of crap, many layers actually, maybe with a paint scraper and some googone....

*solicits intelligent responses but dismisses all replies by the intelligent.  How ironic.

Best,
V

Lol

Here  

i tend to use my own personalized 'system' for these types of threads. here goes.

No 1
Legume

No 2
Nucleic Acid


No 3
underpants


No 4
bacon


No 5
ambu bag


No 6
yarn


No 7
dog butt face


No. 8
Anchor


No. 9
Anchor


No 10
enchilada


No 11
Sea cucumber


No 12
anatomy chart



now this might seem randomn but hear me out....i could have given a numerical value from 1-10  with 1 being less difficult and 10 being most difficult, and guess what, it would be just as useful to you. it would be completely subjective relative to my background, opinion, training, natural talent or lack there of, familiarity with the work, disliking or liking it/them, etc.

just sayin.  

Also what V said.

Maybe op doesn't know what intelligent means and thinks it is synonym for "only answer I like"
Alee Marie

[future_maestro]

The search button works I just tried it and the definitive rating for op10. See response no 3
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=48075.0

"Get the crap of my post" would be nice but your post is covered in all sorts of crap, many layers actually, maybe with a paint scraper and some googone....

*solicits intelligent responses but dismisses all replies by the intelligent.  How ironic.

Best,
V

Guys, is there anything that you don't consider crap? I mean my gosh, every single question that I've seen on this forum has been bashed and called "crap" or "stupid" by one of you meatheads.

If you're too good to answer questions or can't give an intelligent answer then GET THE CRAP OFF MY POST!!!

[outin]

Which of these is harder to play from a performer's stand point?

If you are considering playing one of these yourself, why not ask which one would be harder from a listener's stand point 

[future_maestro]

If you are considering playing one of these yourself, why not ask which one would be harder from a listener's stand point 

I mean from a performers stand point as in hard to perform. I say it like this because there are a few b-a-stards here who won't give you a good response unless you give a really professional sounding reason why you are asking the question, and even then a few of them b*tch at you! Hint: scroll up to see what I mean^^.

Thank you for responding nicely.

[beethovensonata]

Lot's of big bass's turds on here for sure.  I'm moving to piano world, see "anything but piano", "what do you think about this forum" for my full thoughts.

[outin]

I mean from a performers stand point as in hard to perform.

But you see it's simply not possible to answer such a question without knowing the actual performer and the quality that is expected from the performance. There are so many ways one can ruin a piece...

[cabbynum]

But you see it's simply not possible to answer such a question without knowing the actual performer and the quality that is expected from the performance. There are so many ways one can ruin a piece...

I think people on here get overly sensitive and they ask questions with an answer they want to hear.

And people on here have tons of knowledge and experience. They choose to be a bit of a smart donkey about it at times but over all they know what they are talking about and can prove it. I've annoyed J menz on countless occasions with small questions and big questions. He always gives me a thought out response that I can trust.

Don't ask this kind of question, you'll get destroyed. Just sight read it. Or ask your teacher geeze

[future_maestro]

But you see it's simply not possible to answer such a question without knowing the actual performer and the quality that is expected from the performance. There are so many ways one can ruin a piece...

Okay, let me tell you what I mean by the question:

Which of these works is harder to perform from the standard pianists viewpoint? STANDARD, not a person with arthritis, not a person with hand strength problems, just a standard person that does not have any notable issues.

[future_maestro]

I think people on here get overly sensitive and they ask questions with an answer they want to hear.

And people on here have tons of knowledge and experience. They choose to be a bit of a smart donkey about it at times but over all they know what they are talking about and can prove it. I've annoyed J menz on countless occasions with small questions and big questions. He always gives me a thought out response that I can trust.

Don't ask this kind of question, you'll get destroyed. Just sight read it. Or ask your teacher geeze

Oh, now I understand, WE ALL ONLY POST WHAT THE MASTERS WANT US TO ASK.

I see, no conversation, no asking for opinions, just what these knowledgeable terrorists want us to ask them.

Needless to say, I don't think that pianostreet's admin would quite agree with you.

WHY THE F*CK WOULD THEY PUT THE "POLL" OPTION IN THIS WEBSITE IF THEY DIDN'T WANT US TO ASK QUESTIONS LIKE THIS??!!

[outin]

Okay, let me tell you what I mean by the question:

Which of these works is harder to perform from the standard pianists viewpoint? STANDARD, not a person with arthritis, not a person with hand strength problems, just a standard person that does not have any notable issues.

When it comes to non-professionals, there is no such a thing as a standard pianists. Any professional concert pianists could play these pieces with some work. Yet even those would differ in how much I personally would enjoy there performance.

[cabbynum]

Okay, let me tell you what I mean by the question:

Which of these works is harder to perform from the standard pianists viewpoint? STANDARD, not a person with arthritis, not a person with hand strength problems, just a standard person that does not have any notable issues.

Every single person has different strengths and weaknesses. Asking to rank difficulty is rediculous in that regard. Unless you are talking about what's harder beethoven 1st sonata or Alkan Concerto for solo piano. Rediculous but an actual answer is available.

You can't ask these questions and expect serious or accurate answers even though they are serious sometimes.
I used to be obsessed with difficulty. Now I don't care. Because it doesn't matter.

I find Bach to be harder than any other composer! Haha but it's all personal. You have to say that from the begining and explain how you have no care or interest in how the answers reflect you or your abilities. You just want to know what is hard for other people.
I know for me fast chords and octaves are easy, where as for others they are hard. But extremely fast nimble finger passages give me more difficulty than most. So I know how to judge difficulty for myself. And for my students because I know there strengths and weaknesses.


To your other post, you are getting a bit rediculous now and you need to tone it down. (See the pun) but anyway, no that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you will get a load of crap for talking about difficulty when it comes to music because music isn't supposed to be about who can play the hardest pieces. It's about the art and the expression. So go with that more so than "I wanna learn the hard stuff"

I picked Chopin fantasie in f minor because a I connect to it on a very deep level. Yes it's hard but that doesn't matter to me. I can overcome it. The musical aspect is what draws me in.

[liszt1022]

People may respond nicer if you posted here:

Those of us who don't like these kinds of threads usually stay out of there.

[j_menz]

Okay, let me tell you what I mean by the question:

Which of these works is harder to perform from the standard pianists viewpoint? STANDARD, not a person with arthritis, not a person with hand strength problems, just a standard person that does not have any notable issues.

And therein lies the problem. There is no standard pianist. Each and every one of us is different, and so when you start talking about the more advanced repertoire, every one of us comes at it from a different starting point.  That means some pieces will be easier for me to learn than others, but others might well find the reverse.

And I assume you mean easier/harder to learn. Once you've got them, they are equally easy.

You might also like to acquaint yourself with the search function, as these sorts of questions have arisen many (many, many, many) times before and almost every possible comparison has been discussed at (great) length.

[justinjamespiano]

Hi,

It's very hard to rate these against each other because they are all so different, even from a performance angle.

Opus 10 No 3, which I recently recorded after many years playing it in concerts, is very difficult because of the variety of different musical challenges it contains.

The "Black Key" and Waltz also have inherent technical/musical challenges but not quite as slippery I would suggest.

You can hear Opus 10 No 3 on my recent recording. www.justinjames.com