Favorite underrated composers

[khantallis123]

You can request for another composer if you like.

[j_menz]

"A Rubenstein", whether you mean Anton or Arthur, is spelt Rubinstein.

My list of possible additions would keep you busy for months, but you must add Czerny.

[stravinskylover]

Lyapunov, Liadov, Medtner, and Glazunov (I'm obsessed with Russian composers at the moment) are also must-adds.

[visitor]

"A Rubenstein", whether you mean Anton or Arthur, is spelt Rubinstein.

My list of possible additions would keep you busy for months, but you must add Czerny.

Czerny is most def not under rated nor are those listed by op or the Russians replied w above as well.

They are all rated quite highly actually .

[visitor]

Janis Medins. Most definitely. The 24 Dainas are a masterpiece and deserve every much the same praise or more that less interest 24 preludes and folk music pieces by more mainstream composers get ...

Ie

[j_menz]

Czerny is most def not under rated

I mean his non pedagogical works.

[visitor]

I mean his non pedagogical works.

Perhaps you are right to some degree I forget that outside of circles of like minded individuals like ourselves , Czerny is not seen so much as essential , though he is!

Dear heavens I fear I've gone full blown classical music hipster level 9000

[forte88]

Haydn or Schubert 

[mjames]

Schubert's not underrated, neither is Haydn...

I can't believe that someone actually remembered my dear Liadov <3

Medtner, Liadov, and Clementi. (OH YEAH, ADD CLEMENTI).

[forte88]

Schubert's not underrated, neither is Haydn...

IMO they are, more so than a Medtner or Clementi

[mjames]

No, they're not. His unfinished symphony is performed at least 100 times a year, let's not forget how much exposure his musicgets in the media. Sure not everyone knows about his 18 other sonatas, or the 300 valses he wrote, but that doesn't mean he's underrated; it just means that he wrote way too much music 

Same goes for Haydn...

[j_menz]

it just means that he wrote way too much music 

What would you strike from the record?


Zero points if you say the operas. Minus points if you haven't heard them. Minus 100s of points if you haven't heard of them.

[m1469]

I have not actually played and/or listened to everybody on that list, so I can't fully say who is actually my favorite out of those options.  But, of whom I have listened or played, so far Clementi is my favorite.  In fact, I am so taken with him that he even currently excites me more than those who have been my standards for years.  I am grateful we don't have to actually choose to have only one certain composer in our lives, so choosing a favorite is not really what it seems

[flashyfingers]

Mahler, Byrd, Handel, Alban Berg OMG I FREAKING LOVE HIM SO MUCH!!! GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD!!!!!!

[j_menz]

GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD!!!!!!

Need a light? 

[chicoscalco]

Villa Lobos and Faure

[flashyfingers]

Need a light? 

More like a towel. hahahah! I'm so sorry, that was gross. I'm just joking.

[kakeithewolf]

I'm surprised Dvorak and Alkan are even in the polls. Dvorak's works are overabundant in performance to the point of plague where I am.

For me, I'd have to say Widor, Faure, and Praetorius.

[khantallis123]

Any more?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Czerny is freaking badass man.

[thalbergmad]

He freaking is.

Thal

[muntjack]

Big Bortkiewicz fan here. 

[flashyfingers]

STANCHINSKY is my new love of my life. 

[j_menz]

STANCHINSKY is my new love of my life. 

You're gonna run out of skin to ink. 

[bbannett]

Dvarionas -- listen to "Down a hill in a sled" as an example of one of his showy post-Romantic little-known pieces.

[coda_colossale]

Janis Medins. Most definitely. The 24 Dainas are a masterpiece and deserve every much the same praise or more that less interest 24 preludes and folk music pieces by more mainstream composers get ...

Ie

Stay in this forum forever, please.

[chopin4life]

Bortkiewicz/ saint saens/ piazolla

[flashyfingers]

You're gonna run out of skin to ink. 

I agree! I have so many favorites...

[visitor]

Stay in this forum forever, please.

lol  most def. ha ha

and another...

not underrated in native country (Slovenia) but pretty much complete unknown outside of bordering countries.

Luijan Marija Skerjanc

i.e. one of the preludes is a compeition piece for a young pianists comp later this fall
https://www.chopin-goldenring.si/

https://www.chopin-goldenring.si/data/RulesYoungCat2014.pdf
https://www.chopin-goldenring.si/data/app_youngcat.pdf

score and audio  

[iwagman18]

Franz Xaver Scharwenka?

Romantic period, wrote four piano concerti. His first, in B-Flat Minor, is my favorite piano concerto that I've ever heard. It ends with this great sense of darkness and tragedy, as it actually ends in a minor key! So many end in the parallel major. Also, Earl Wild recorded it with Boston Symphony Orchestra, and I just love him so much. You can't hate Wild.

I personally believe that you should include Scharwenka on your poll list. He is a fantastic composer and definitely underrated.

[awesom_o]

Melartin is pretty incredible!!!

[stevensk]

Scriabin!!

-and J.S Bach. He is absolutely underrated

[kakeithewolf]

Widor, Faure, Praetorius, and most of all, Sorabji.

[alistaircrane4]

Rubinstein, Field, Moscheles, Kalkbrenner, Dohyani, Martinu,Mednter,Glazunov,Lyapunov, the list is endless.

[ahinton]

Rubinstein, Field, Moscheles, Kalkbrenner, Dohyani, Martinu,Mednter,Glazunov,Lyapunov, the list is endless.

Dohnányi, Martinů and Medtner, please - and, by the way, no list is or indeed can be "endless"...

Best,

Alistair

[j_menz]

no list is or indeed can be "endless"...

Prime numbers. Ways Thal hates the Schumann Concerto.....

And, since underrated composers are still being born (indeed, being more recently born seems to be a decided advantage in the underrated stakes) it is a list that for the foreseeable future is practicably endless.

[alistaircrane4]

Prime numbers. Ways Thal hates the Schumann Concerto.....

And, since underrated composers are still being born (indeed, being more recently born seems to be a decided advantage in the underrated stakes) it is a list that for the foreseeable future is practicably endless.

J_menz you read my mind. As I was reading Al's comment I thought to myself that there will always be underrated composers thus constantly being added to ones list.

[ahinton]

Prime numbers.

Fair comment - at least as long as someone has tried to list them in the first place!

Ways Thal hates the Schumann Concerto.....

I'd have said that this was rather more of a work in progress and an endless list...

And, since underrated composers are still being born (indeed, being more recently born seems to be a decided advantage in the underrated stakes) it is a list that for the foreseeable future is practicably endless.

If you'll pardon my saying so and the possible pedantry implicit in so doing, I don't think that this is right; in contrast to so many other phenomena, underrated composers are made, not born, for no one can become an underrated composer until he/she has composed some music, which so far no one has done from birth (and I actually read "still being born" as "being stillborn" momentarily, a circumstance in which it would be even more difficult to pick up a pen and compose).

More seriously, though, "underrated" is obviously to some degree a subjective term in this context; moreover, some composers are not only more underrated than others (so also a matter of degree) but more underrated in some places and at some times than  others; some composers' work travels less well than others (try getting Elgar performed in France, for example) and the vagaries of fashion have long since determined that the fate of certain composers' works is a fickle thing.

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Kalkbrenner

It warms me heart that he is mentioned.

Thal

[bronnestam]

Typically any female composer.  Here is a nice Norwegian lady, same era as Edvard Grieg.

[michael_c]

Typically any female composer. 

Louise Farrenc:

Mel Bonis:

Germaine Tailleferre

[8_octaves]

Typically any female composer. 

That's true...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYfPwc89AdY

greetings, 8_octaves...

[stevensk]

Typically any female composer.  Here is a nice Norwegian lady, same era as Edvard Grieg.

Thumbs up!!   

[toughbo]

Had to revisit this thread to give out a thanks to awesom_o for introducing me to Melartin, thanks!! :-)

[bronnestam]

That's true...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYfPwc89AdY

greetings, 8_octaves...

Oh yes, that one ... that is really a masterpiece. Carreño is SADLY underrated. I believe this one is far too difficult for me  but I wish I could learn it.

[8_octaves]

Oh yes, that one ... that is really a masterpiece. Carreño is SADLY underrated. [...]

Hi bronnestam,

Yes, and let's mention she composed the Ballad when she was 12... . Some say, such things were quite normal for her, and that she wrote most of her masterpieces when she was very young!

Some of her works are on IMSLP, but the ballad ( in case some don't know ) is in the book "Selected works: piano pieces and string quartet.- Teresa Carreño ; foreword by Rosario Marciano ; translation from Spanish by Anne Drellich.- New York : Da Capo, 1985.-  ISBN: 0306761939.

But I don't have it.

A biography of Teresa Carreno by Marta Milinowski exists, too, "Teresa Carreno: By The Grace of God", as do one or two very very interesting theses (dissertation).

Cordially, 8_octaves!  



 

[bronnestam]

Hi bronnestam,

Yes, and let's mention she composed the Ballad when she was 12... . Some say, such things were quite normal for her, and that she wrote most of her masterpieces when she was very young!

Some of her works are on IMSLP, but the ballad ( in case some don't know ) is in the book "Selected works: piano pieces and string quartet.- Teresa Carreño ; foreword by Rosario Marciano ; translation from Spanish by Anne Drellich.- New York : Da Capo, 1985.-  ISBN: 0306761939.

But I don't have it.

A biography of Teresa Carreno by Marta Milinowski exists, too, "Teresa Carreno: By The Grace of God", as do one or two very very interesting theses (dissertation).

Cordially, 8_octaves!  



 

Finding the Ballade was not easy, but finally I found it as print-on-demand at a German site. Not very expensive either. Naah, was she really just 12? Sounds unlikely to me, but well, what do I know.

[ale_ius]

Hi bronnestam,

Yes, and let's mention she composed the Ballad when she was 12... . Some say, such things were quite normal for her, and that she wrote most of her masterpieces when she was very young!

Some of her works are on IMSLP, but the ballad ( in case some don't know ) is in the book "Selected works: piano pieces and string quartet.- Teresa Carreño ; foreword by Rosario Marciano ; translation from Spanish by Anne Drellich.- New York : Da Capo, 1985.-  ISBN: 0306761939.

But I don't have it.

A biography of Teresa Carreno by Marta Milinowski exists, too, "Teresa Carreno: By The Grace of God", as do one or two very very interesting theses (dissertation).

Cordially, 8_octaves!  



 

Hi 8av! I posted about this nifty piece a while back.  I made the score available in this thread.

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=54166.0

cheers!
a.m.

[bronnestam]

THANKS A LOT! 

This will take me a decade to learn, but never mind, it looks like great fun.

[8_octaves]

Naah, was she really just 12? Sounds unlikely to me, but well, what do I know.

Hi Bronnestam,

check out for the thesis of Franco Gurman "Teresa Carreno And Her Piano Music" on the web, it should be easily to find and download.

  On page 67 of the thesis it says the following:

It is remarkable that at the age of twelve, Teresita was ready to show the world that she too could compose a ballade. Carreño’s Ballade in D flat Major, Op. 15 is of a
virtuosic nature. As far as its overall form, it follows this progression:
1) Introduction, cadenza, Theme A, Theme A slightly altered,
2) Theme B, Theme A altered more than before,
3) Theme C, developmental section,
4) Theme D,
5) Theme E, developmental section, Theme D slightly altered, Theme A
highly embellished, developmental section, restatement of Theme A

We shouldn't forget her EXTRAORDINARY development, she was pupil of her father, first, then of Gottschalk, who was her idol, and she was of an even younger age ( 8 or 9 ), when she composed, e.g., the Gottschalk Waltz, her opus 1.  

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Hi 8av! I posted about this nifty piece a while back.  I made the score available in this thread.

https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=54166.0

cheers!
a.m.

Hi ale, VERY MANY thanks to you!!   , and to bronnestam, too, but I too, had found the book easily available for buying, which I will, maybe, do additionally!

But, ale, that was super! Thanxx again and

greetings from: 8_oct!!