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Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata (Read 2943 times)

Offline bravuraoctaves

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Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
« on: November 29, 2004, 05:25:49 PM »
What gives it its reputation for being hard?

When I look at the score, it doesn't look as hard as other liszt pieces?

I heard it is it's length but that can't be it?  Beethoven wrote sonatas in which he asks for no breaks beetween the movements?

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #1 on: November 29, 2004, 05:31:39 PM »
What gives it its reputation for being hard?

When I look at the score, it doesn't look as hard as other liszt pieces?

I heard it is it's length but that can't be it?  Beethoven wrote sonatas in which he asks for no breaks beetween the movements?

The difficulty is not technical wise
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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #2 on: November 29, 2004, 06:39:39 PM »
Indeed. The most difficult thing is making the entire piece sound interesting. Lots of recordings of the sonata are very dull.

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #3 on: November 29, 2004, 08:53:03 PM »
ok. thanks

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #4 on: November 29, 2004, 08:54:27 PM »
I can play beethoven sonatas,  should I try this?

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #5 on: November 29, 2004, 10:16:28 PM »
Why don't you ask your teacher?

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #6 on: November 29, 2004, 10:17:27 PM »
How long have you played? Which Beethoven sonatas do you play? What is the most difficult piece you've learned thus far? How much time do you put in to work on small details?

I, myself, can not answer your question unless you tell me more about your skill level, and how long you've played.
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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #7 on: November 29, 2004, 11:44:49 PM »
Do Liszt's Grosses Konzertsolo before the B mino sonata.  It is a very good warmup and will make learning the sonata easier.

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #8 on: November 30, 2004, 02:06:37 AM »


The difficulty is not technical wise

Yeah... sure...


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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #9 on: November 30, 2004, 03:42:16 AM »


Yeah... sure...



He's right, you know.

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #10 on: November 30, 2004, 10:18:10 AM »
i am trying to learn this sonata, and i must confess it is not technically easy. on certain moments the tempo is very very fast! but i think indeed it is not the hardest piece i know (the transcendental studies, or la campanella, etc.. are more technically difficult, i think)
PS: sorry for my english...  ::)

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #11 on: December 07, 2006, 06:16:31 PM »
Do Liszt's Grosses Konzertsolo before the B mino sonata. It is a very good warmup and will make learning the sonata easier.

donjuan
That's right.  Also, the Grosses Konzertsolo has been considered by many scholars to be a sort of "rough draft" preceding the sonata.
For us musicians, the music of Beethoven is the pillar of fire and cloud of mist which guided the Israelites through the desert.  (Roughly quoted, Franz Liszt.)

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #12 on: December 08, 2006, 11:40:03 PM »
The difficulty of the sonata is manifold. It has technical and musical difficulties that reach the pinnacle of Liszt's compositions. I wouldn't attempt learning this until you are very familiar with standard piano repertoire and have played a significant amount of Liszt and are mature enough to fully interpret the sonata.

~Max~
My favorite piano pieces - Liszt Sonata in B minor, Beethoven's Hammerklavier, Ravel's Gaspard de la Nuit, Alkan's Op. 39 Etudes, Scriabin's Sonata-Fantaisie, Godowsky's Passacaglia in B minor.

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Re: Liszt B-minor (H-moll) Sonata
«Reply #13 on: December 09, 2006, 12:11:59 AM »
Beethoven Sonata's don't generally tend to run for half an hour without a break - he only tends to link 2nd and 3rd movts.
It's length is a major issue for stamina - arguably the hardest technical part is the final presto octaves and this is coming after 25 minutes of already challenging playing!
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