So with testaments, old and new, what we are essentially agreeing here is this is NOT a book set in stone. It was created on the views and opinions of other people.
What's ridiculous above everything is that if another "testament" came out with new laws and new rules, you'd believe it in a heartbeat, no question?
Scenario - if we still referred to the old testament, would you then agree that homosexuals should be put to death?
me thinks you meant hydrogen (*sorry my inner science nerd was evoked)
The Bible is also pretty fuzzy about why Jesus died, but that is probably above your head theologically.
The Old testament prophesies (it's amazing) about what will happen, and then the new testament fulfills every one of them. They work together perfectly.No, because neither testament says that a new one will come. What do you mean by "Referred to"?
So, to fulfill both, Jesus died FOR us, so that the price was paid, meaning that justice was upheld, and yet he still loves us, because he does not punish us for our sin. I may only be 16, but please don't say that things are "Over my head theologically", unless you know that for a fact.
Thanks for being very polite, Tim. Your arguments are much more persuasive when you present them that way, then when they are simply thalfoolery, as I mentioned earlier. @adodd if you would like to leave the conversation, that's fine. But just remember that I have been on the defensive this entire time, and I think it's about my turn to go on the offensive! But you can leave, if you want, before the offensive argument I am about to make, just in case...
Uh, is that by mass, or numbers of molecules?
by mass would so from what we know I believe by total count of atoms as well. Molecules are groups of atoms bonded to each other.
Lol. "Everything on earth is made up of combinations of different elements - all of which can be found on the periodic table. Considering that the periodic table contains 118 elements it seems a pity that organic life tends to feature only five or six of those elements in any vast quantities. The main one being carbon."https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/lab-rat/shine-on-you-crazy-diamond-why-humans-are-carbon-based-lifeforms/
We will never agree and I will continue to appreciate your piano playing because that's what I value, not what you believe in.
You're probably right, I was just thinking hydrogen has a tiny weight compared to, well, all other elements.
There are actually 16 more that we still have, but did not make the list at the council in 397.
No doubt the retards down his local Godbotherers Society have banned him from reading those.Thal
Sorry Outi, I didn't see it. It got swamped in the "Thalfoolery". 1. You only need to believe in God to "get" to heaven. That depends on what you mean by "Believe".2. It is definitely NOT OK if you have sinned. It grieves God, and if Jesus hadn't died for you, you would be sent straight to hell.
You can go practice the preludes if you wish.
OK, well now that you have all attacked the Bible, I'm going to take a shot at your beliefs. Essentially, abiogenesis is at the heart of Atheism, correct?
Go back and look at Josh's thread about the forum and ask yourselves 'Are things better or worse' than when that post was made?
There are other things I will gladly discuss with you, such as the value of Chopin preludes
What are you going to do with those of us Christians who accept evolution?
I accept evolution. Oh sorry, you mean macroevolution?
Yup. But this is in the "Anything but piano" board, so that's ok. Let's keep the piano boards clean, which I am trying to do.Amen! (sorry did I just offend you by saying that)
Is it really a winning position to reopen a divisive thread, regardless of the forum category, where no one will be the winner? There have been 122 posts. Just think of the difference it would make if this were a discussion about the Chopin Preludes.
But my dog is NOT a Kangarooian-Baboon-Fishman-GermanAntelope-Porcupine-WhaleShepherd. And one of those have never been found. Or their fossils.
your protein problem can be restated as Argument from Incredulity.
Pencilart is really effing bad at science, Im not saying evolution theory is legit, he just seems so effing bad at science, in fact all of you do xD
Let's take a look at the protein ribonuclease. It is a "simple" protein. Let's make it easy on ourselves and assume that the only amino acids in the mixture are the 17 types needed to make a ribonuclease protein. There are actually about 20, but to increase the chances, let's just say that the 17 needed are the 17 that there are, to make the outcome more likely. Making this assumption, we can say that the possibility of forming a protein that has "Lys" as its first amino acid (that is what it is in a ribonuclease) is, of course, 1 in 17. Those aren't bad odds. However, the chance of forming a protein with "Lys" as the first amino acid, and "Glu" as the second is 1 in 17 times 1 in 17, which is 1 in 289. Uh oh. Let's take a look at the next amino acid, "Thr". To get just the first three amino acids correct, times it by 1 in 17 again, and you get 1 in 4,913. If you were to complete this calculation, you would find that the odds for making this protein by chance FROM a mixture or proper amino acids is 1 in 10152. That's the same as a poker player drawing a royal flush 19 times in a row without exchanging cards. Yikes. Remember, this is Ribonuclease, a SIMPLE protein. Some proteins have 10,000 amino acids! And that's assuming you have amino acids to start with! Where did they come from?!
I hate it when Christians talk about science/math.
I don't have any knowledge on bio,
Every time you try to poke your nose into science, you'll embarrass yourself.
If it was by total count of atoms, the pie chart would look way differentusing your sh1tty *rocks* sh1t example (by the way, you got the math wrong holy f***. 1/2 lb* 1 trillion = 500,000,000,000 lbs. this is 10000 times greater than 1,000,000*50lbs = 50,000,000 lbs. I know you meant billion though cuz I'm *not bad at thinking* enough to account for others' mistakes ) If by mass, the area of your section of the pie would be 10 times his section of the pie.If by number of rocks, your section of the pie would be 1 billion : 50 which means your section of the pie would be 20 million times his section of the pie.Thankfully i guess, the mass of hydrogen is only about 1/4 the mass of helium.
Presumably because I am a stupid bigot with no brain? And why am I any less qualified than you?You seriously didn't know that the amino acids have to be in the right order to make a protein?! I'm trying not to facepalm! Didn't you ever take a basic biology course? Oh wait, Yes, you are certainly more qualified than me, aren't you. To answer your question, there are 124 animo acids in a ribonuclease protein, which as I said is a very simple protein compared to some. And by the way, it is aimo acid, NOT an "amino whatever****". And if you would have taken a basic biology course, you would have learned that if any one of those amino acids are not in the correct order, or if one of them is the wrong kind, the protein would not be able to support life. And remember, these are just proteins. Even if you formed one, we have to think about forming DNA, Atoms, Cells, Molecules, Protozoa, and how such things form other things like plants, mushrooms, and fish.And you say, "If you just give it enough time, it will happen". Well, according to your theory, when does time start? Does it start before or after the first protein somehow was created? Does it start just when the amino acids were brewing about? How did that form? And you still haven't told me how the amino acids got there in the first place.Well, that wasn't the case on this little incident, was it?
Wait visitor, was there an error in my science?
Making this assumption, we can say that the possibility of forming a protein that has "Lys" as its first amino acid (that is what it is in a ribonuclease) is, of course, 1 in 17.
I got my information from a guy with a phd in nuclear chemistry from the university of rochester. It doesn't take that much qualification to know some basic biology, like the fact that proteins don't have "corner puzzle pieces". And I'm 16, by the way (as I said earlier) so it's good to know that I sound like I'm older than I am, at least with science.
You seriously didn't know that the amino acids have to be in the right order to make a protein?! I'm trying not to facepalm!
I'm theist too.
Most true scientists were/still are believers.
The bigger issue though (as it is with most people in general) is that you have arrived at your conclusion first, then worked backwards. Pencil, while it's obvious you're no dummy, your argument reads like something you found on a website to use as a "gotcha" when arguing with scientists/atheists regarding abiogensis or evolution. If you wanted to really challenge yourself, and I mean really challenge yourself, there are plenty of resources out there to do it. Arguing with people on an Anything-but-piano forum is hardly a vehicle by which one who truly seeks knowledge would come by it.