Chopin competition

[outin]

Anyone interested can watch the preliminary round on their YT account, both live streaming and videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSTXol20Q01Uj-U5Yp3IqFg

[mjames]

thanks a lot pal


Will be following this.

[diomedes]

Wasn't aware of that, what an incredible resource. Thank you for posting.

[8_octaves]

Hi all,

a homepage exists, too.

https://chopincompetition2015.com/#/news

It's always so exciting! Who will finally make it?

Perhaps, if one would play the op. 44-Polonaise's beginning like this:

https://chopincompetition2015.com/#/compositions/3bb69d29-1862-4fb1-8ca4-f39e9c7f5a3a

( bass clef missing in the right hand  )

then he / she would win the innovation's prize ? 

cordially, 8_oct.

[j_menz]

the innovation's prize ? 

I don't think "innovation" is encouraged. Not even a tiny bit.  Indeed one of the aims of the founders was to categorically stamp it out.

[michael_c]

Anyone interested can watch the preliminary round on their YT account, both live streaming and videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSTXol20Q01Uj-U5Yp3IqFg

All I can see in Germany on YouTube is this:

Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA.

 

How long has Chopin's music been in the public domain?

[8_octaves]

All I can see in Germany on YouTube is this:

Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA.

 

How long has Chopin's music been in the public domain?

Hi michael,

I once heard rumor there are good chances to unblock such "blocked" videos. There shouldn't be a problem with these ones, from the competition, my sources say.

cordially, 8_octaves.

[outin]

All I can see in Germany on YouTube is this:

 

How long has Chopin's music been in the public domain?

That's YT for your   

Go through the website linked above or click on any other videos on their account. It's probably just that one that is blocked...

[j_menz]

All I can see in Germany on YouTube is this:

this video ..... could contain music

Harsh, really.

[michael_c]

That's YT for your   

Go through the website linked above or click on any other videos on their account. It's probably just that one that is blocked...

On the competition website all I can find the is the live stream and 5 videos of Miss Dąbek. On YT I tried some of the other videos at random: all were blocked.

Hi michael,

I once heard rumor there are good chances to unblock such "blocked" videos. There shouldn't be a problem with these ones, from the competition, my sources say.

Do you know who can unblock them, and how?

[8_octaves]

[...]
1. ) Do you know who can unblock them,

2. ) and how?

Rehi michael_c,

to question 1: Yes. You, me, and other, for example, Germans, too.

to question 2: I think I shouldn't discuss this here, because some forums might not like it being discussed. But also, I don't think I need to discuss that here, because nearly everybody should know about the "how".

There are 2 "main" ways to unblock them, and you can VERY EASILY find out via google, how to do it.

Cordially, 8_octaves!

[j_menz]

You could try changing you "country" setting on YT - it works here in Australia just fine, but probably Poland would be more convincing from Germany in terms of IP address.

Just be thankful it's not the Wagner Competition, where such things might be more closely watched.

[irrational]

If you are more technically inclined you can also use the Tor network which will route your requests via a different country. You can reset the connection until you get one that works.

[stoat_king]

Thanks for posting this.

Edit: This might sound a little premature, but I think Chisaki Doi will win the competition.
My reasons might be mostly irrational but if I can find a way, I'm going to put money on it.

[alistaircrane4]

If you are more technically inclined you can also use the Tor network which will route your requests via a different country. You can reset the connection until you get one that works.

Yes Tor browser! Onion routing is best.

[gianna_61]

Your favorite competitor?

[ganymedger]

The son of Lilya Zilberstein also entered the competition this year, who has also been taught by Martha Argerich according to various internet resources. Im thinking of buying tickets for the finale rounds. Warsaw is not that far from Berlin.

[stoat_king]

Edit: This might sound a little premature, but I think Chisaki Doi will win the competition.

Hmm. Turns out I was wrong.
Then again, my main reason was that whenever she moved her butt on the piano stool, there was an unusual noise from the road outside my house.
I judged that anyone with the power to manipulate time and space alike - using only her butt - would find this competition quite trivial.

I also thought her playing was lovely.

[8_octaves]

The son of Lilya Zilberstein also entered the competition this year, [...]

...and unfortunately, it seems, he has already exited the competition.  That'd be sad, because he would have been a German competitor in the October-finals 

[...]who has also been taught by Martha Argerich according to various internet resources.[...]

hmm...: I think mentioning Martha Argerich at a Chopin-competition could have ambivalent effect on jurys, perhaps...   ( Argerich / Pogorelich - incident )  .

However: Here's the list of the "finalists". From the text I could understand, that 7 of them hadn't to take part in the elimination round, because, I think, they had won or were among the top prizers of other actual competitions.

https://chopincompetition2015.com/#/news/581d50cf-ecb2-4a1e-bfbc-70dcb18ccfc5

Cordially, 8_octaves.

 

[ganymedger]

I've just went through the list and saw that two piano students of the University of Arts Berlin are participating, Chao Wang and Cheng Zhang, who are both very good.

I listened to them play in a free concerto at the university.

[gianna_61]

Competitors of the 17th Chopin Competition - Interviews. 

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[adodd81802]

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[pencilart3]

What's the age limit to enter the international Chopin Competition - In Warsaw?

Young or old? I think it's 15 years young and something like 30 or 35 years old. I could be wrong.

[adodd81802]

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[pencilart3]

Old - I am wondering what the oldest is you can be to enter, I need to work out how many competitions are left before I can't enter, I bet the GF that despite the hours of annoying practice that If I can put a 5 year plan in place (to coincide with the next Chopin Competition) that I will get past the first stage of that competition! I am thinking 10 years is more realistic lol but I don't think i've got that much time depending on the oldest you can enter... *sigh*

Yeah it's 30 I just looked on the website.

[adodd81802]

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[rubinsteinmad]

In 2020 I am going to be 31 September 4th, Cutting it fine, but the competition is just before it right. See you there Pencil

Hey, what you planning to play for Stage II? The Preludes Op. 28 or a Sonata?

[adodd81802]

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[pencilart3]

I expect Pencil to go with the Preludes!

Yes! I like the sonata a little better, but I already know 15 of the preludes by memory, so I would probably have to go with those. By the way, you can choose between sonata 2, sonata 3, or the 24 preludes. Plus a full set of mazurkas. And if you play a sonata (which is shorter than the preludes) you can choose any other piece or pieces by Chopin until you fill up the time limit. You can view all the repertoire requirements here: https://chopincompetition2015.com/competition-rules

[rubinsteinmad]

Yes! I like the sonata a little better, but I already know 15 of the preludes by memory, so I would probably have to go with those. By the way, you can choose between sonata 2, sonata 3, or the 24 preludes. Plus a full set of mazurkas. And if you play a sonata (which is shorter than the preludes) you can choose any other piece or pieces by Chopin until you fill up the time limit. You can view all the repertoire requirements here: https://chopincompetition2015.com/competition-rules

ikr but the preludes are so beautiful

[rubinsteinmad]

The next live broadcast of the Competition will be at 4:50 PM

[rubinsteinmad]

[rubinsteinmad]

BTW, the Ballade 4 is really getting ahead! Pretty soon there will be someone who plays it better than Zimmerman!!!

 Here are the Ballade 4 performances uploaded so far:

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Which are your favorites?

[rubinsteinmad]

So far mine are Olof Hansen's, Joo Yeon Ka's, Su Yeon Kim's, and Lukascz's.

[schumaniac]

Did Ning Yuen Li withdraw???
there is no way he didn't pass the 1st round!

[ajlongspiano]

He withdrew. Such an unfortunate thing too, his playing is actually gorgeous. He's a student of Sergei Babayan and it shows. So many subtleties and his expression is so organic.

[schumaniac]

^ indeed...

also HOW COULD TIFFANY POON NOT HAVE ADVANCED asdfghjkl I'm saying this especially bc I'm listening to her playing right now

[pencilart3]

also HOW COULD TIFFANY POON NOT HAVE ADVANCED asdfghjkl

The asdfghjkl was a very strong argument.

[schumaniac]

The asdfghjkl was a very strong argument.

Thanks, I try

[ignaceii]

Hello,
Perhaps this is not the good place to discuss this item.
But to me the Chopin competition is largely overestimated.
Remember it is only about 1 composer. Ok, if you can play Chopin winning this competition you can do great things after. As Bhozanov which they kicked out, as being too genius.
Funny too how at once Deutsche Gramophone takes the winner in.

Whereby the Queens Elisabeth competition is a lot more demanding, as candidats even need to perform 2 premiers, in the semis, and with orchestra in the final. Bach, everything there is as composers for a first round. Full recital and Mozart concerto in the semis. Recital, Premiere and concerto by choice
Often Rach 3 or Prokofiev in the finals.

But Anna Vinnitskaja, a winner was not invited by DG. Nor any other. Same with the Leeds competition.
Or Moscow, von Cliburn.
And i am not a Chopin fan. Listening all the times to Chopin. Bah!!! Why not add contempories ?

The other competitions are much more diverged and intense and broad in its repertoire.
Von Eckhardstein another Queens winner is one of the greatest poets on the piano.
But DG is so commercial they only see public attention.

The most difficult Chopin does not even tip at a serious Liszt piece. Not even by 2 , yes only 2 concertos.
And that is it.
It is just the name again, like the clothes from Armani.

I won't listen or look. So boaring and not up to the standards of the other great competitions.

Strange world. Luckily Lucas Debargues made it.
Nothing on DG is worthwile. Just commercial. Even Leeds' Lang Lang cannot draw enough attention, yet.

And the behaviour of the last winner is far from decent.

Enjoy your Chopins.

[pencilart3]

It's been said many times before. You can have that opinion.

[chopinlover01]

It's without a doubt that the other competitions require more of a diverse repertoire, and therefore could be, generally speaking, labelled "harder". However, I must take issue with:

The most difficult Chopin does not even tip at a serious Liszt piece. Not even by 2 , yes only 2 concertos.

Liszt and Chopin are difficult in different ways. Many students (and professionals, for that matter) can play Chopin well but haven't the slightest clue as to the stylistic elements of Liszt, and vice versa (though I must say, I've found it more common that those who play the flashy stuff of Liszt rarely do anything but plod their way through a Chopin nocturne).

[ignaceii]

I talked more of the overall complexity of the competition where I say that Leeds, Queen Elisabeth, Moscow, Von Cliburn are more competitions to seek the complete musician.
That is why, uniquely, in the Queen Elisabeth 2 contemporary scores need to be dealt with in 1 week. Where they have 2 times concertos to play...
Von Cliburn introduces chamber music , which is fantastic.
Let me be someone who does not know about the road of the Chopin competition.
R1. Waltzes and mazurka's.
R2. Nocturnes and Polonaises.
Semis. Ballades and Scherzos.
Final. 1 of the 2 concertos and some impromptus...

I exaggerate, but this is really the essence. It is about 1 composer who largely wrote for the piano solo. Hardly any chamber music, and 2 concertos.

I mean. What the hell do they find so exciting about it, to crown them kings of the piano.
Leeds , Elisabeth and Cliburn winners deserve far more attention from the record labels and managers.
They must be lucky to get in, like Vinnitskaja. Kozhukin does a good job, but they need to work hard to stay there. Where as the Chopin champs have nothing to do to win all recitals and records.
Playing Prokofiev 2 or 3 is nothing like Chopins...

Let us make a Clementi competition. A largely underestimated composer .
 

[pencilart3]

Chopinlover I agree. We already had this discussion on a different topic, but when you say something is 'difficult', you have to define your terms

[chopinlover01]

@iganceii The reason Leeds et. al don't do get the attention is because Chopin sells.

[mjames]

Chopinlover I agree. We already had this discussion on a different topic, but when you say something is 'difficult', you have to define your terms

It's pretty self-explanatory, unless you're a stranger to the English language. For the Van Cliburn, Tchaikovsky, or Leeds competitions a contestant has to be able to understand and convey the diverse styles of the many composers they're playing. Whereas in Chopin, only Chopin is necessary; though it is worth noting that most contestants also have a great degree of knowledge in the standard but unlike other competitions, they only have to showcase their knowledge of one composer. So it's quite fairly logical to conclude that the "career-boosting" ability of the competition is highly dependable on its prestige rather than its difficulty (relative to other competitions, of course aha). That's the bias our dear friend Iganceii is talking about.

I think it's a pretty fair complaint.

[pencilart3]

I don't think anybody is "complaining". And I was referring to Chopin's music, not the competition.

[mjames]

My bad. You should be a little bit more specific though.

Complaining or "expressing discomfort towards the status quo of the classical music industry"

Whatever floats your boat.

Can't really say anything about Chopin and Liszt, haven't played much of Liszt...
Or to be more honest
ANY OF IT! Haha.
To be fair, from a mechanical point of view, to me some of Liszt's music looks pretty impossible to play. More so than any of Chopin's most difficult works. Then again that's a pretty naive way to look at music. Take my case as an example: op 50 no. 3? Mechanically approachable. Conveying the music? My head hurts.

anyone here likes the op. 2 as much as I do?

[outin]

By all means start a Liszt only competition if you think it will be as popular...Oh wait, I think they already have one in Budabest 

If people are willing to listen to hours of Chopin only and pianists feel it worthy to attend, then why on earth should the Polish people and record companies not capitalize on that? In the end it's the decision of the public which one they prefer more.

[pencilart3]

Exactly